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I just received the new WM Hakomi CD today and am so excited to listen to all of it I can hardly contain myself. Anyway what I did hear inspired me to start this thread and begin it with a quote that so totally supports the topic. Heart talk is so different than intellectual, ego based rhetoric that likes to cut, reduce, chop and dissect a topic killing it's capacity for joy, love and truth , for life, in a word. Speaking or doing from the heart demands all of a person and in ways that one is not even aware of. The head alone is, well, you know just a disillusion in separation talking head. It goes nowhere and destroys in its wake because that is it's intention. Enough about that I wanted to be very clear about the purpose and nature of this thread for it comes from the heart and a mind endeavoring to work in harmony with each other refining the ego as we go.I love that I can find so much material in various places that supports everything I learn from the WM"s and Lyricus websites. I start this thread with this lovely poem in particular and will post evidence to support it from the 6th discourse and other sources from the WM's philosophy.


Lovers are not helped with advice.
Love's current cannot be stood against.
The intellect fails
to understand the intoxicated one.


Even the threshold of entry
of the one who has left himself
confuses the wise.

The fragrance of love
found amidst the gathering of the heart
is a wine
that topples kings.

Life freezes without the embrace of the soul.
The journey becomes troubled
and the body loses it's luster.

If the heavens were not in love,
If the stars were not intoxicated by the
heart's embrace,
all the whirling would stop.
The celestial lights would cry,
"Enough, how long must we spin?"

The reed-flute universe
is filled with the breath of the creation.
Stillness is the thunder of discontent.

Oh soul! Climb to the night sky's roof
And create chaos with your song!

JALALLUDIN RUMI
(Translated and adapted by the author from Kulliyat-i Shams, v.535)


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The Wholeness Navigator


"All human life is embedded with the Wholeness Navigator. It is the CORE WISDOM... The Wholeness Navigator is the HEART of the entity consciousness... It is a REPLICA OF FIRST SOURCE vibrating at the same frequency and capable of the same feats above all else.

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"The farther you enter into the truth the more you see that all life flows from the intelligence of one HEART."

LIMINAL COSMOGONY

We contain the HEART OF HEART'S we only have to activate it again to it's fullest capacity.

[Edited on 20-5-2005 by Shayalana]


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I heard at one time that LOVE is the GLUE that holds us together. We come from LOVE. This excerpt from LIMINAL COSMOGONY I find syncronistic and applicable in HOW we are to activate our inner resources.

"DEVELOPMENTAL SHIFTS

There are four developmental shifts that precede the emergence of the Grand Portal, and these generally occur within 3-5 generations of the discovery. They are unfolded in the following order:

1. A physical shift is expressed in the planetary environment and spatial surroundings. This physical shift is symbolic of the momentous changes in the virtual structures that prepare a species for the Grand Portal. The physical shifts generally take expression through weather conditions, astronomical anomalies, ethnic turmoil, technological dysfunction, and disease-all of which impact on economic and planetary stability.

2. AN EMOTIONAL SHIFT IS EXPRESSED IN THE MOVEMENT OF THE SPECIES TO MORE EEFFECTIVELY MANAGE THEIR EMOTIONAL CENTER (HEART) AT AN ENERGETIC, NON-PHYSICAL LEVEL, ENABLING A HIGHER BANDWITH CONNECTION BETWEEN THE HEART AND BRAIN CENTERS. THE HEART-BRAIN CONNECTION ALIGNS THE ENERGETIC CENTERS OF THE SOUL CARRIER TO ACCEPT A MORE INTENSE AWAKENING OF THE INTUITIVE POWERS INNATELY PRESENT IN THE GENETIC MIND OF THE SPECIES.

3. A mental shift is expressed as the genetic mind of the species is made more accessible to the species as a result of the previous shift in heart-brain integration. The genetic mind-as the repository of information defined by the species-operates independent of horizontal time flows and can provide quantum leaps in knowledge if its higher dimensional information packets are accessed.

4. A shift within the genetic mind occurs when the grid of the genetic mind becomes discontinuous, forming into multiple groupings. Members of the species will energetically reorganize into resonate groups, each accessing different regions of the genetic mind and evoling a discrete sub-genetic mind whose resonate coupling is more closely fitted to each group."

Notice that the heart-brain connection must be made before it is possible to access the higher dimensions or if you want to call it a much wider or more expanded bandwith(which includes the activation of intuitive powers innate in the genetic mind.). The heart-brain connection makes the mental shift to the higher end of the genetic mind possible .And it follows that the heirarchy is changed because the old way becomes discontinuous as new paradigms come to fore because of the rearrangement of various resonate groupings all having made the necessary connections for a major shift to take place.


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As an aside it is interesting to notice also that the environmental changes precede the heart-brain connection and that we are in the midst of those changes right now. It makes sense that the new cd came out now for the next development to take place. It is also interesting that the heart-brain connection happens BEFORE the mental shift.


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Another aside, I am not going to pretend that this topic is not beyond my grasp. It is , yet I will S-T-R-E-T-C-H to comprehend it as best as I can in the moment and can only hope it just gets better.


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I think it is a WONDERfull topic...and am glad that you offer us the opportunity to speak...heart to heart...

I am touched by your willingness to "reveal" your SELF to us...and if my heart can smile...it is doing so now:)

Your understanding of the Heart/Soul connection is evident and your application of the WMMs to facilitate this transformation is apparent to me.

I am grateful for what you share and it enhances my wholeness perspective.,,it does not appear to me that you have a long way to "stretch"... but that you have a certain easy with translating the messages of the heart.

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The Heat is on !! Ready to leap out of the frying pan yet ? The leap , the shift , the transformation is underway. Reflection = Activation ...


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Hey, Starduster and Mr~Mojo, I am so pleased to share with you all and look forward to your input.:)


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The change of the heart is in the connection with the Hiërarchy. Therefore one can listen to the Masters, and in many cases should do so. If one does not live according this character builded through a lot of experience, his movements are empty. Live with love and excellence. And if you do that, we can learn about freedom, and cooperation.


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the Sixth Discussion in the Lyricus materials...discuss this Heart "voice" here

[b]Student: How does one discern their inner voice from the voice that has been learned from this world?

Teacher: The voice of this world can be traced to the ego-personality, while your original voice whispers and nudges from the depths of your heart.

Student: But the voice of my heart is not necessarily formed of words, but rather feelings. And these feelings are subtle and constantly changing. Hope can turn to despair, or love to hate in a mere flash of time.

Teacher: Like the universe, the heart is multi-leveled. [u]The heart of which I speak is adept at expressing intuitive intelligence in the spirit of compassion and understanding.[/u] When you hear a voice within that strikes this balance, you have found your inner voice[/b]

I see that you have found your "inner voice"...Shayalana, how did you come to "recognize" it... was it the WMMs or did you find it "on your own"?

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I give my heart freely to all who resonate love as a unification
of their human instrument We are all one and I feel a sense
of unity and love with everyone. Our life strings eminate from
first source as I am like a child in a womb receiving love
from first source. Let our hearts join as we are one. We are
loved by our creator, it is a gift given freely. I feel an extra
presence of love on a plane of existance I have never
experienced before. We are all together.


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digorious, I heard that LOVE is the glue that holds us together.;)


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To continue about the major shift to take place after
the four developments(continuing from Liminal
Cosmogony):

"These four phases occur sequentially, unfolding in
time and informing and catalyzing the next phase until
it culminates in the discovery of the Grand Portal.
This progression operates in subtle, intricate and
meticulous processes, and despite the apparent surface
chaos the deeper ordered systems prevail and entrain
the surface effects of time, space and matter."

I must comment on this now. For all that is happening
in the world now and is about to happen , we must
always remember that despite how it appears, there is
truly something wonderful going on underneath it all
and it is for the better. We are living at a time of a
major paradigm shift and chaos is to be expected. Also
the EGO is and will tenaciously cling to the old
paradigm knowing it's own days are numbered. The
structure for the EGO which is the heirarchy is
reconfiguring much to the chagrin of the old diehards.
Yet, as James has said in the materials, this shift IS
(going) to take place there is no choice about that,
when and who discovers the Grand Portal is the
question.

"At the end of the fourth phase the energy of UIS
(Underivative Information Structures: ...Across all
dimensions of space there exists a primary field of
vibration or quantum primacy.This field is
non-physical but informs the physical. It exists
independent of the physical structures of
existence...), and the virtual structures of the
master template(...The soul carrier is an outcome of
the master template that is energetically distributed
to the life bearing planets upon the multiverse
vehicle of Underivative Information Structures. This
template, which creates and interacts with the
morphogenetic field of the soul, defines the soul
carriers' limits of functionality and expression-but
only in the flow of time.), begin to "descend" within
the planetary dimensions of time and space-attracted
by the shifting consciousness of the species. Those
members of the species that are energetically
attracted to the higher dimensional regions of the
genetic mind will-during this time- reveal the science
of multidimensional reality that has always been
encoded into the master template waiting for the
resonance of minds and HEARTS to uncover it.

The Grand Portal is holographic, emitting from First
Source and extending to UIS, embedded within the
master template, conducted into the quantum fields of
the genetic mind, drawn into the energetic systems of
the soul carriers , and finally coiled within the DNA
molecule of the species.
(The soul carrier is in a constant state of flux and
development that is the result of the dance between
the master template, UIS and the DNA molecule present
in each cell.As the soul carrier of the species
evolves ,the DNA molecule increasingly activates its
antenna and responds to the higher dimensional
organizing information field that enables the soul
carrier to integrate soul consciousness more fully).
This masterful interchange of energy, information, and
expression is orchestrated by the magneticfield that
surronds the Grand Portal.

The Grand Portal is similar to a gravitational field
that entrains all surrounding matter to it's presence.
This presence is electromagnetically released into
three-dimensional realms, whereby it becomes the
beckoning force that literally tows a species through
time and space to the Grand Portal, and through the
energetic field that it repesents."


Everything we do whether emotional, mental or
whatever, is for the purpose of the discovery of the
Grand Portal which offers irrefutable proof of the
human soul. What I love about these materials is that
they explain the soul scientifically. More about that
later. Anyway, Rumi lived hundreds of years ago and
was speaking about the soul through Love and
everything he and other have done over the eons was
and is for the discovery of the Grand Portal. It
cannot be done without input from our HEARTs through
harmony with our brains and us reaching for the
highest expression of both that we can do and find and
even beyond that.

[Edited on 30-6-2005 by Shayalana]


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Shayalana,

Could the glue be more like a string of light intricatly
woven connecting all of us, letting us communicate on
the superconscious highway. I look forward to seeing you
all on this next level. I must learn step by step how to
acheive this. This is a fantastic journey. My heart is finally
filled with hope. I am glad you have started this thread.
Thank you.


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"I see that you have found your "inner voice"...Shayalana, how did you come to "recognize" it... was it the WMMs or did you find it "on your own"?


I was Sixteen when I first consciously acknowledged that blessed voice. I marveled at it's utter knowingness and loved how wonderful it felt. Yet, since then and through many changes and difficult experiences, it has taken everything I am made of to hold on to that voice at times. It can be work among the myriad distractions and the confusion of so many other EGO voices all vying for attention .Yet, through the years and many teachers I have learned how to give that voice free reign because I have made my life depend on it. The kind of life worth living for me anyway. The more I feed it through meditation, focus, regularily visiting my chamber of SELF and learning everything I can about what that SELF consists of and what is the best way to live as a benefit to this earth and humanity, it can only become stronger until that is all I AM.


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digorious, I love your analogy it is quite fitting. And THANK YOU for contributing to this thread it is much appreciated.:)


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my heart was drawn to these words in your posts...

[b]...Across all
dimensions of space there exists a primary field of
vibration or quantum primacy.This field is
non-physical but informs the physical.[/b]

I understand this "vibration" as the "tone of equality"...that comes when we recognize our ONEness...it resonates in the Heart.

[b]As the soul carrier of the species
evolves ,the DNA molecule increasingly activates its
antenna and responds to the higher dimensional
organizing information field that enables the soul
carrier to integrate soul consciousness more fully).[/b]

IMO this discribes the "transformation"...which is ongoing...oh, for the day when the morphing is complete... here we are in the "darkened" cocoon...morphing...growing antena that reach out to recieve the FS transmissions..digesting our experiences on our way to eternity...attracted by the Light we see through this self woven veil...we feed upon the "membrane" of memories.

yes, I too, listen to my "feelings"... and as you have said:

[b]I have learned how to give that voice free reign because I have made my life depend on it. [/b]

a beautiful expression of this "state of consciousness".

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The Hiërarchy is not the structure for the 'ego', but the watcher for the GM, what is not to be destroyed but changed. I repeat, if one makes through the change of the heart that very event is in connection with the Hiërarchy, please do understand. (Otherwise you don't nurture life but another illusion.) I think my message on this thread was clear enough for that matter. The heart is spacious, and often totally different than expected. And the ultimate freedom cannot come into being when the Hiërarchy is not fully spent in ones heart.


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"The tools of the mind suppress the true nature of your species. Only when you observe with the frequency of equality foremost in your heart and mind, can you bypass this suppression and feel the linkages that organize your specie into a master organism.

It is this organism that is in perfect alignment with First Source like two circles that overlap so perfectly that only one is seen. It is the very nature of First Source to create innumerable fragments of itself and lead each to cohesion as a master organism, while allowing each fragment to retain its sovereignty. This is the perfect bestowal of love.

(from the second to last paragraph ...here:
http://www.wingmakers.com/philosophy3.html

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There is no Heirarchy.

There are limitations you enjoy placing on yourself.

You ARE THE MASTER.


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more understanding from the 6th discussion

Teacher: Think of it this way. The heart is dimensional and multi-faceted. It expresses emotional currents; regulates physiological functions; activates certain brain chemistry; communicates throughout the body and mind; receives precognitive impressions from your future environments; and connects you to all other states of being.

The heart is also the gateway to the compassion frequency of love—the purest force of the multiverse.

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DiW, there is. Even the WMM teach about it. Denial won't change that. Don't be faint-hearted, please don't spread things you don't know.


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DIW...John Berges, once wrote a paper focused upon the Heirarchy and it's role in our existance here. I lost it, during a computer crash, but perhaps some still have it and would be willing to share it's understanding of it here...

there is Heirarchy...it even exists in "Heaven"...;)

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[quote][i]Originally posted by CV[/i]
DiW, there is. Even the WMM teach about it. Denial won't change that. Don't be faint-hearted, please don't spread things you don't know. [/quote]

DiW is standing in his own power. He knows he is the self mastered.
Everyone reading this should realize that in some time you are already an "ascended master."
You are the holy ones, you are the goddess/god.
Your true heart isyour thymus gland and that is the only place that you can truly experience unconditional love.
It starts with yourself.
You must learn to love yourself with NO conditions at all.
There is no guilt, there is no judgement from source.
The illusion that you are seperate from source is the main seperation we have experienced on this platform of learning we call 3-D.
There is no fear except what you manifest from yourself.
Empower yourself and realize that you are your own best sourceof intuition and guidence and no one else can give that link to you, but only guide you the way they have been linearly tought.
Your ego has nothing to do with loving yourself unconditionally and will often times attempt to disempower yourself on this journey because we have so often given our power away to it.
No order, teacher or master can give you this link or connection to the true source of all that is unconditional love.
You are never really unconnected from source, it is illusion, however powerful, we have set up for ourselves to push us ever further toward self mastery.
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You can tell yourself that you are a Master until you see little stars, but you are still not a Master. I am all for it. You should stand in your own power. Don't follow anybody. But there is a Hierarchy. Don't jump on that word. Do you know something about it? Have you been in contact with a real Master? I'm not saying that you should...
When I am with those people who are so devoted to their Master, and they're the real ones, I'm not talking about such small would-be Masters, but I say to them, nobody should follow anybody. Be carefull. Be a lighthouse yourself. And then I meet you guys, and I think great, but you should listen once to a real Master instead of uttering that pep talk that you're one, or all are, for God's sake. It'll obviously lead you nowhere. The WMM is at least the work of a Master. Why don't you learn? Why don't you listen? Why don't you think before you make haste to react? And why do you bother about the insane voices in the mud, instead of the real pure, white light before the prism?

In my thoughts I hold your heart
to my heart and ask it
to dissolve into me.
I will know of luminous things
that hurtle through time
bringing us the uncharted
desire we have never spoken.
Words are not curious enough to say their names.
Only love can weep their identity,
and I am so perfectly defenseless
to its music.


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