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 Post subject: Manifesto of the Sovereign Integral
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Here are the first few lines of the Sovereign Integral Manifesto....

[b]Manifesto of the Sovereign Integral[/b]

• There is no space more sacred or powerful than
another
• There is no being more spiritual than another
• There is no thing more divine than another
• There is no tool or technique that accelerates
the unfoldment of consciousness

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That being said, I feel that most people on this forum are open-minded enough to stop telling people how they should lead their lives or what works and doesn't...

When I read some of the posts, I feel as if some members on the forum would readily jump off a cliff to their deaths if James asked them to.

We're all here on earth to learn, so whether you want to fast for 2 weeks, chew razor blades, walk on fire, listen to WM music 7 times backwards, bungee jump off the golden gate bridge or try out the latest psychedelic cocktail... that's a personal choice.... you learn your lessons and you move on... if you die, you can try again in your next life... The human instrument is like an all purpose shoe in the walk of life.

Criminals have turned to saints, and Bishops have turned to child molesters.... so you never know where the next experience or event string will take you.

Many of the the "spiritual" practices in the private lives of members of this forum makes them look like nut cases and "crazies" to most people in the public even though they would look pretty normal to most of us.... I have friends who think the WM music is made up of weird chants used to summon evil spirits and others who think the paintings are "gay" art whatever that means.... I don't go preaching to them about what is right for them or what James said we should do.... we're awakened when we're ready...

My point being that we all come from different backgrounds with a wide spectrum of experiences that shape our perception and understanding of "reality".... so unless you really have something worth sharing, please don't tell people they should and shouldn't do in their lives as this forum isn't a spirutal kindergarten and no one ends up here by accident either.

Use the forum to share experiences and be open-minded rather than try to be experts in spirituality.

We're all here because we're still learning... and I'll be the first to say that I still know nothing...

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We are all in this together, that is why I like the fourth point in particular because it takes ALL of us to make this happen. Besides who has an overview so all-emcompassing to see ALL of the connections for ALL of the experiences and the effects of those and the ripples that turn into tidal waves etcetera etcetera etcetera with the same of earth and nature going through their transition? Although too to exclude ourselves from being earth and nature is not conducive to our own wonderful realization and understanding of what it means that we are here for the ride. And with that said , what better way to ride than in bodies fashioned from the elements of earth and directed by a nature the whole universe knows? In the Chamber 18-24 Wingmakers CD on the last track a voice says, "I know somethings, I know somethings, I know somethings," perhaps, just knowing one knows nothing IS knowing something. Knowing from the heart is a new paradigm so it seems and is not intellectually centered exclusively so therefore includes more than what we think is knowing. A new fronteir so to speak.My 2 bits.:D

[Edited on 13-1-2007 by Shayalana]

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Maybe we have a lot to discover that is already there just waiting to be acknowledged and used. Well, maybe... just maybe. That would take care of the no new technique or new tool to accelerate consciousness and especially if it is in intellectual terms exclusive of the the rest of the whole. In other words maybe it is a matter of uncovering what is already there. OK, already, my 4 bits.:P



[Edited on 13-1-2007 by Shayalana]

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I have not had much experience with psychedelics, but there needs to be a clear distinction between somagenics like ayahuasca which contains DMT which is present in the pineal gland and psychedelics that are foreign to the brain and damage it over time.

Most psycho active plants damage the brain over time and can be quite addictive, ayahuasca is actually quite the opposite. It enhances brain function, optimizes seratonin pathways, and can increase memory and IQ. Not to mention ayahuasca is a very effective as an agent to quit drugs like cocaine, since aya is anti-addictive, and quite purgative.

LSD, mushrooms, fly agaric use substances that are foreign to the body to mimic the higher states of consciousness, dmt is considered by many to be the main spirit molecule responsible for spiritual visions according to the book DMT The Spirit Molecule. High levels of dmt occur during you creation in the womb, and during your death, it is the bodies spiritual master key.

I don't know if you can access a tributary zone with it, but ayahuasca can be very exciting and very scary at times. This sacred shaministic substance should be treated with great care and respect.

I do believe that with proper respect and knowledge that enthogens like ayahuasca can be quite healthy and useful for psychological treatmenet and spiritual development.

http://www.newbrain-newworld.com/?Alter ... :Ayahuasca

Ayahuasca is supposedly the ancient Soma mentioned in the Rig Veda, some think it's the fly agaric mushroom, but this is far from truth. Ayahuasca can also be possibly used to treat diseases like parkinsons and possibly cancer.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/PINEALpower.html

One can also attend a dark room retreat like those hosted by Mantak Chia and his universal tao center, this dark room enviornment produces the same spirit molecules of dmt like ayahuasca, in my opinion both are effective and worth practicing.

http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoom.pdf

Meditation and spiritual practices should be a science supplying the body with plenty of tryptophan for good meditation, it is responsible for the formation of spirit molecules mainly dmt. The richest source of tryptophan in the world is Griffonia simplicifolia. It is actually 5-htp which is quite safe and is actually the by product of tryptophan, so this is a step closer to making spirit molecules than just regular tryptophan.

http://www.acutcmdetox.com/tryptophan2.html

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tryptophan can also be found in chocolate as an amino acid and the brown meat of turkeys for that is why one feels so sleepy after a Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner, for that is an effect of ingesting the tryptophan contained therein.

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Yes it can be found in those items as well. Tryptophan is a necessary componant to our general over all state of well being since it's the chemical precursor for seratonin, which makes us happy. seratonin is the physical projection of our energetic feelings of happiness.

In our society today our bodies are so depleted of seratonin, which is why we always feel so stressed out, seratonin has a direct effect on our stress threshold. Stress is one of the main killers her in america, our large number of heart attacks are a sign of that. Poor diet and stress are key component to heart attacks. By adding 5-htp into your diet you will decrease stress by raising seratonin levels.

Ayahuasca has been show to greatly increase stress threshold, but everybody has their way, and maybe somagenics aren't for everybody, if not I would recommend a dark room retreat to enduce ayahuasca experiences by having a tryptophan rich diet and having no light touch your skin or eyes.

After adding griffonia simplicifolia to my diet, my meditation became much more intense, not to mention my dreams were more vidid, and I feel much more relaxed and at east through out the day. I think most people in america are 5htp deficient.

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I was reading in the news section of High Whistler's website, an interview of Alex Grey ... who's art is appreciated on this website (at least by me) and he said something I believe belongs in this topic too:

PJH: Another influence, another source for your work is, you've been rather open in the past about using drugs as a source of vision or as a way of opening "the doors of perception."

AG: It's been an important opening for me. I met my wife 31 years ago on my first acid trip. That was a tremendous turning point in my life. Not only had I found the expression of divine love in the world in the form of Allyson, but I had a kind of breakthrough mystical experience. It's not just any kind of drug that I'm interested in. I'm interested specifically in what they call antheogens ... "antheo" means "the god within," and an antheogen is a particular substance that is regarded as a sacrament by various people, such as peyote cactus is used as a sacrament by the Huichol indians and by other Native Americans. They have the Peyote Way Church and Native American Church, and they have used this for centuries. It's they're religion. And then there are religions down in Brazil that use ioasca, which is a kind of tea that allows them to see god and to feel bonded together as a community. It's basically a visionary substance. By taking it, you're able to see within these multiple dimensions of reality and you're able to literally be the infinite.

Johns Hopkins just recently came out with a report that was done by an imminent neuroscientist that was an experiment that was published I believe in Psychopharmacology Magazine on mushrooms and their ability to engender in normal people a mystical experience. So, it was scientifically proven that taking magic mushrooms, which I guess a lot of hippies could tell you that without having to conduct very expensive research, but now scientifically it's been proven that these substances - in this case psilocybin in the form of the mushroom, can engender an actual mystical experience. And this was reported just this year on CNN and all over, it made for a lot of news, just because, basically, psychedelics are kind of off the radar for most people.

At any rate, it's a world that I feel has been extremely important in my life. It's helped put me on the pathway toward finding god, and it has for many other people as well. It's a different kind of thing than, I don't know - I've never had any interest in other substances. I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke cigarettes. But these things have to do with the ability of human beings to commune with the divine in the visionary realm, they are truly gifts.

the rest of the article is here:
http://www.planetjh.com/anderson_2006_10_18_alex.html

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I agree with this to an extent starduster. The shamanistic application of psychopharmacology is great, but can be quite dangrous. Most drugs, even shrooms damage the brain over time, which is why in the shamanistic tradition of S. America ayahuasca is so revered. It acts on your directly, since dmt is considered a molecule that the body makes, supposedly it helps in de-calcifying the pineal gland. Ayahuasca does not damage the brain, it actually helps brain function and can help one quit addictive substances like tobacco and alcohol.

I am doing a lot of research on enthogens like ayahuasca, and even research on the newly rediscovered orme, supposedly a monatomic powder capable of increasing life span and opening the consciousness, etherium is the natural version which i perfer to the man made monatomics. I believe the man made orme is too powerful and can damage dna, just like how the coca plant has been used for centuries with no problems, but man made cocaine is horrible for you. Another case of man thinking he is superior to nature.

http://www.etherium.com/etherium.html

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5u4m1bzpUM&NR]peyote healing[/url]


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yes...I agree, that our "processing" and synthisising chemicals is changing the effects of this "spiritual" experience.

I would like to try the monatomics ... can you buy the "organic" version, on line...after hearing the hemisync vid... and putting it together with the stuff I have been reading about "powdered gold" over the years...it sounds very beneficial.

never heard the word orme...but assume from your association with "monatomic" it must be another gold derivitive. I have been taking collidal silver for many years...but my specialist told me not too take it while I was in her care for Lyme...as it was a heavy metal and would interfere with the antibiotics...but I am no longer in her care...so I plan on going back on it...I prefer minerals over vitamins... and take it in a liquid form that is absorbed in the bowels where it isn't wasted like a pill.

I have also done some research into to "oxygen"... it appears to kill all viruses...or at least the man-made myoplastic ones... thanks for your insight

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Our brains are capable of producing any chemical drugs mimick . These bodies are capable of so much and we are only now discovering that. The saying ,"if you don't use it you lose it", how much have we lost sight of and turned from inside out for the answers in things like plants for their effects? Even the Shaman knows this and knows much has been lost .

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Whahooooo!!! Ulli's back !!!

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Meletonin is also important for deep deep focus or meditation and when in abundance in the brain can make for some interesting if not intensely colorful experiences. It is why I cover my eyes so that no light can get in when going into deep focus. Meletonin is transformed from seretonin (produced from light) and then is further transformed into pineline when in deep insightful focus. The brain is capable of producing what you need for whatever if you know how to access it. Drugs have a tendency to make people depend on them for the experience instead of making the effort to tap into the possibilities within.

[Edited on 17-1-2007 by Shayalana]

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ahhh yes, meletonin...I was just recently introduced to it...you must understand dear sister Shay, as the body gets older it often quits producing hormones...

we are all so wonderfully unique, and I sincerely believe that each form of organized matter serves a purpose... and that in its natural form, many of these plants were designed to enhance our awareness of "super natural" realities.

While I always believe that rocks lived, I never felt them or (trees) breathe until I "enhanced my awareness" with psychodelics...I believed that bugs comunicate, but I never had a conversation with one before or saw the wind, or tasted colors so vibrant that they brought tears streaming from my eyes...my belief system became KNOWledge by being open and trusting that all of what the gods designed were for my "good".

meletonin allows me to sleep peacefully...for this I am extremely grateful...and my mind remains open to experience all that is available for me to KNOW.

call me an opportunist...lol
but I think it is such a waste of life NOT to take advantage of every opportunity we have to "push the envelope":)

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Hahaha you ol' dustbag.....:P

'Meletonin'. Provides for you an evening at the Mellow Tone of Equality Inn, huh? ''Reach to their own'', it's said. ;)

''Call me an opportunist''. Ok.., since I can't seem to call you a punctilious acupuncturist. Maybe a cute punterist?....:)

Ya know.., an 'optometrist' studies the eyes. And a philosophist may study the whys. So what would you think they might call an old happy hippie.? A 'hopeful doper'? Why..., an optipotomist, of course. ;)

Speaking of. I was looking for the correct spelling of 'psyilocibin' and reflecting at times on how sillyIbeen, and I stumbled upon this site and thread. Thought you might get a laugh, if not a wee bit of a chuckle....

http://bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?s ... did=284904

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moonz, I got tired just reading your post....

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moonziemaaan,( my bruthar from another mutha) Peace-love,

ya know where I can score a dime bag ? can't afford no lids since the eighties, bummer...and the [Censored] is waaaay to tooo kronic now daze...gotta drink 3 krappa chinos to stay a-wake, you know
and that's a downer (what ever happened to white-crosses)...

"turn on, tune in and take over"... shudda listened to us and we wouldn't be in Iraq...you know..make love, not war...
say, maaan, if you you can't score the weed, shrooooms will do ...I know, you KNOWWWWW
stay groovy maaan,Trip-Out!

shuffels off muttering to self...
waht irks me is they keep forgettin we invented ROCK N ROLL!
(hell, been listen n to our jams for 50 years now)
no respect! keep dis'n me down.

ya know, if it wasn't for us, they'd still be wearing poodle skirt, bobbie sox and vasiline in their hair...:cool:

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Of all the sadhus whom I’ve met during previous trips through India, Mathura Das stands out most clearly in my mind. His long hair in twisted tresses — a kind of dreadlocks — falling over his shoulders. His pockmarked face that looks a bit like Jimi Hendrix’s. His boyish body, lean and lanky, while he must be at least thirty-five. His deep voice, sparkling eyes and booming laughter. His jocular wisdom, and sometimes serious counsel. At first he may appear somewhat macho, but in fact he is gentle, and very generous. Everything he gets he gives away.

It is mainly to see Mathura Das again that I’ve just covered over a thousand kilometres by bus to arrive at Omkareshwar.
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Omkarehswar is a small island in the Narmada river which, seen from the air, resembles the Sanskrit letters for “OM”, the sacred mantra. The river is holy too, so there are reasons enough for the sacredness of this place.
Hindu pilgrims take a bath in the Narmada for the cleansing of body and soul. And over a path that follows the contours of the island they circumambulate this magical ‘power-spot’, tracing the “OM” mantra with their feet — worshipping the divine and simultaneously absorbing spiritual energy. In passing, they also visit the sadhus, ‘behold’ them, make offerings and receive their blessings.

The sun is just up when I arrive, but I don’t feel tired so I decide to check out Mathura Das right away. Especially for him I’ve kept some hash that I had gotten from another sadhu, a piece of black Manali of passable quality. In my hotel-room I cut it in two pieces — each sufficient for one chilam ( a hash-pipe, usually earthenware, in the shape of a bottleneck, that has to be held in two hands for smoking).


Bypassing the two, three streets of the village, I take the shortest route over a footpath through a rural area, a grassy field with some small houses here and there under big trees, to a centuries-old Shiva temple. Behind it stands a partly ruined temple-like structure that originally consisted of three rooms, but the roof of the middle one had once collapsed. In this space, surrounded by three walls and under the open sky is Mathura Das’ fireplace.

And a sadhu’s sacred fire, his dhuni, is his home. Mathura Das is not allowed to sleep under a roof according to the rules of his sadhu-order, but deities may. So he has turned the left room into a shrine with altar and idol of Rama.
I walk around the whitewashed building, under gigantic — and holy — trees, and go up the steps to a terrace in front of it. Nobody is to be seen, but the fire is smouldering, so he cannot be far away.
As I stand there, wondering whether I should go to the river instead, a young half-n‰ked sadhu appears from the temple-room. His features are rather Asiatic, a very thin beard, and straight, black hair that comes down to his shoulders. Perhaps he’s a Nepali or Tibetan?
I ask him in my simple Hindi, “Mathura Das where is?” He points in the direction of the river and says, “snana,” Hindi for bathing. Then I ask him, “his disciple you?” He nods yes. His limited vocabulary makes me suspect that he isn’t Nepali, or Tibetan either, so I ask him in English, “where are you from?” And then he has to kind of confess — he’d probably have preferred to stay in his role of a native, I think — that he’s from Japan.

As a real sadhu he invites me for a tea, so we sit by the dhuni. He puts a pan with water and milk on the smouldering logs and pokes the ashes till flames shoot up. Mumbling in a mixture of broken English and sadhu-slang he asks if I have any hash on me, for he has only inferior weed. He shows me a plastic bag with very green leaves. I lie and say that I don’t have any, so he starts to slowly clean the grass.
We smoke the chilam and I ask him some more typically Indian (intrusive) questions, like “what is your name,” and “what is your purpose,” to which he replies with shy smiles and hardly audible mumbles. But I catch his name, which is Mohan Das, and it appears that two years ago he was initiated as Mathura Das’ disciple. The weed has no effect.

He is very slow in everything, perhaps deliberately, to show how stoned he is, or enlightened. Or is he just dim-witted? Finally the tea is ready and he sprinkles a few drops into the fire, an oblation to the fire-god, before filling the stainless steel beakers. He asks me for a cigarette and we smoke in silence, slurping the hot tea.
The rays of the sun peek through the rustling leaves of the giant tree forming a roof over our heads. Chirping birds flit from branch to branch. In the distance a troop of monkeys passes by, swinging through the trees, then again running through the field. In the foreground are the ancient walls and spires of the Shiva temple. A cow is calmly grazing. Time stands still. Sadhus may have little or no material comfort, but they often live in the most beautiful places, free and without a worry.
Then I hear the deep, booming voice of Mathura Das in the distance.
As he comes onto the terrace he recognizes me immediately, laughs and calls out loudly, “Sita Rama!” A greeting and invocation of the deity Rama and his divine wife Sita. I bow and touch his foot with my right hand. He puts his hand on my head, and then goes into his temple-room, singing and humming, continuously repeating the mantra, “Sita Rama, Sita Rama, Sita Rama...”


A young sadhu has come with him. He is dressed in red cloth and has a red dot painted in the middle of his forehead, distinct signs of a Shiva devotee. He sits next to me and immediately starts asking the usual questions, where I come from and so on.

But after a few minutes Mathura Das comes out of his shrine, now dressed in a light-rose silk shawl around his waist, and all attention focuses on him. In a gruff voice he calls out, “Mohan Das, make tea!”
Submissively Mohan Das goes about it, but he has become very clumsy suddenly, dropping everything.
Mathura Das takes his seat near the dhuni and asks me for a cigarette. I assume he just wants to smoke it and want to give one to Mohan Das as well, but that is not allowed. “He only smoke hash!” Mathura Das cries out.

Then I give him the piece of hash too and his face lights up. Immediately he starts preparing a chilam. He heats the hash with a match and mixes it with the tobacco in a coconut cup.
“Hash problem,” he says. It is hard to come by nowadays and expensive, two hundred rupees a tola (ten grams). And he needs at least a tola a day, for himself and for his guests. I wonder how he manages to obtain such a sum each day. It isn't much more than seven dollars, but nevertheless, that amounts to a week’s wages for an unskilled labourer and the usual donations he receives from pilgrims are at most a few rupees per head.
These price-increases are mainly caused by foreigners who buy hash for their own use in India or for export, since they can pay any price. Besides, there are arrests in the sadhus’ own supply-lines. Some sadhus are even imprisoned.
“Really?” I ask surprised. For hash may be illegal nowadays in all parts of India, but the smoking of it by sadhus is tolerated. It’s an ancient tradition and they need it for their worship of Shiva. Moreover, sadhus stand a bit outside — and above — the law.
I tell them about the coffeeshops in Holland. They have heard of it before but can hardly believe it. The prices neither, for that matter.
Meanwhile, Mathura Das has prepared the chilam. With joined hands he lifts it heavenwards and calls out loud, “Sita Rama!” He inhales deeply, and blows out an enormous cloud of smoke.

The chilam goes round, and hits; our spirits rise. Mohan Das is urged to take an extra puff and Mathura Das sees to it that he inhales deeply enough.
After that Mohan Das doesn’t have a moment’s rest. He has to distribute the tea and Mathura Das spurs him on with ever new commands and then criticizes everything he does. Mohan Das becomes totally confused, goes on strike, stares ahead senselessly, seemingly deaf and dumb.
Laughing out loud, Mathura Das turns to me. “Cracked brain!” he sneers, twirling his index-finger next to his head, “screw loose!”
And then, with blazing eyes, he roars, “me, full sadhu life!” In his limited English, but very articulate all the same, he explains how he sees ‘The Reality’ beyond our everyday material world. Without eyes. Pointing at the backside of his head he says, “me inside out!” But for this knowledge he has to pay a price; he must lead a hard life, full of risks: “full sadhu-life, dangerous!” He illustrates this with shaking and quaking of arms and body, as if he is falling apart, disintegrating, and roars once more, “dangerous!”
After this illuminating performance he disappears into his shrine again.

The Shiva sadhu turns to me again and asks rather bluntly, “You also give me some hash?”
I shake my head, “That was my last piece, it’s all finished.”
“Money little problem,” he then says, “you give me hundred rupees?”
I try to explain that I’m seeing far too many sadhus and that they all need money and that I’m not rich, but he doesn’t care.
“Fifty also good,” he says.
Then I tell him not to be so money-minded, “sadhus have to be poor, and that’s what you wanted, isn’t it?” Besides, I think, ‘good’ sadhus like Mathura Das don’t have to ask for anything: they are just given all they need.
But he points at my bag — as if he were looking through it with x-ray glasses, seeing my expensive cameras, traveller-cheques and cash, all in all equalling some two years' wages for an average Indian labourer — and says, “you money automatic!”
This makes me laugh, but I’m fed up with his nagging, so I get up.
Mathura Das comes out of his shrine-room and tells me to smoke another chilam, but I am going.
“You come back tomorrow,” he says, “OK?”


The next morning I take the shortest route to the river, a path with rough, uneven stone steps leading over a low hill. On top I stand still for a moment to have a look at the picturesque scenery. Below me, part of the village, large trees between houses and temples.
And straight ahead, the island of Omkareshwar in the blue-green Narmada river: sparsely wooded hills, a cluster of small houses around a domineering sandstone palace and a whitewashed temple near the river.

I’m thinking of the rather disappointing meeting with Mathura Das yesterday. Especially his relationship with Mohan Das had shocked me. Obedience, servitude, submissiveness and so on are expected of any disciple, but he treats Mohan Das as a slave and ridicules him for it to boot.
But on the other hand, can I fairly judge it? Perhaps he gives Mohan Das exactly what he needs. From a Hindu perspective it may be necessary for the ‘burning’ of his karma, his fate, determined by good and bad deeds in his previous lives. Moreover, from the same perspective, is a sadhu, a holy man who perceives a Reality unknown to us ordinary mortals, not by definition infallible?
I walk down the hill, through winding streets, down wide stone steps to a small beach on the bank of the Narmada.
From the other side, near a tea-stall, a red-dressed sadhu is waving at me. It is the Shiva sadhu whom I met yesterday, beckoning me to come closer.
I hesitate, but then I see Mathura Das too, sitting on the wooden table of the tea-stall, under a brown tarpaulin awning.
Mathura Das looks downcast and complains about pain in his arm. It is only with difficulty that he can bend it. He shows it to me and explains that this is caused by not having smoked any hash yet.

I had intended to keep my last piece of hash for later, but seeing his suffering (real or enacted) I give it to him anyway, and immediately his face lights up. But first he wants to take a bath in the river. A bit later, with holy water still dripping from his long hair, Mathura Das comes and sits next to me.
We smoke the chilam, drink a tea, and he is his ‘old self’ again, happy, expansive, full of laughter.

Before I leave Omkareshwar I want to give some money to Mathura Das. At first I had thought I could make a generous gesture with a hundred rupees, but after all those stories about the high prices of hash, that doesn’t seem quite sufficient, so I have decided to give him two hundred. Surreptitiously I try to extract the banknotes from my bag, but Mathura Das notices it immediately. He points at his shrine and together we enter this dark, incense-filled room. I want to hand him the notes, but he points at a low altar where a statue of Rama is standing: it has to be an offering. I let the banknotes drift down on the altar while he loudly invokes the deity, “Sita Rama, Sita Rama!”

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Cool link SD.....

Guess what?!

'Cos it's so windy over here, today, for the first time in many moonz, I put some.....er.....Vaseline in my hair.....then I read your post, how weird is that?;)




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For hash may be illegal nowadays in all parts of India, but the smoking of it by sadhus is tolerated.




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Isn't that nonsense.



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(snicker) Russell...do you think Dolf is a real name?

I think the thing that was made most apparent to me about "the war" was when they bombed Afghanistan back into the stone age...it became the world's number one producer of Opium.

Now we know...that it is not being produced in hidden "grow rooms" nor is any cartel involved...but understand clearly, that the government (yes our government) is promomoting and permitting this...we are "in control" of "security" and everything in that country now (right?)

All the suspicions and inuendos brought to our attention by the Contra-gate investigations have materialized...when you understand that our government is supporting itself by dealing dope...that pays for the oil monopoly...and in the Middle East, it is legal :cool:

The only reason why it is illegal here, is because they don't want to share the profits with anyone...and they know we could grow pot, cocao and poppies in our own back yard... killing the demand and the prices.

think about it...80% of crime - that sustains the entire Judicial System is drug related...and the rest of our dugs are regulated by big Biz (Pharm Co.s Medical Ind. Insurance etc etc etc) and Government Agencies (FBI CIA NSA HS ...FDA USDA the list goes on and on)

the "war on drugs" is just as phoney as the "war on terrorism"

and to bring it back to psychodelics...they have to be illegal because they are what opens that 90% of our brain that the drugs are suppressing and allows us to see what is going on.

and here is a synchronistic twist I was exposed to today on another "open" forum... there is a "substance" sprinkled in the last crop of pot being distributed world wide...by our dear old gov...that just might kill ya... or worse. (now I know potheads are parinoid but these "reports" were coming in from all over the world!) Now, when I say "or worse" we have to understand that "they" don't want to reduce the demand for their cash crop...do they? not when the congress is talking about with holding funds for the war !

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Interesting, Gnosis, I am also familiar with David Hudson and his work in producing the white powder from gold(ORME Research)). What a process! Can be quite dangerous too for all the alchemy involved, taking solid gold and reversing the process of its formation by reducing it to the ethers and back again through transmutation, super conductivity and levitation of its molecular and atomic structure. Anyway, enough about that, I just know that when I heard him speak years ago that after he finally was able to produce the powder he would not personally use it (at that time),even with all of its anti-aging, youth restoring and healing properties. The reason being that he didn't feel that he was mature enough emotionally and mentally and spiritually and that to take it in his immature state would only enhance the immaturity to a degree he would not be able to handle .What a wise man. Such was the nature and power of the powder and such was the price to be paid for it . I know his lab blew up a few times and that the goverment also harassed him relentlessly. He truly is a modern day alchemist the first I met anyway. The power and effect of that powder is far beyond what any of these psychodelics or other drugs can even touch and requires a responsibility and maturity, few have learned to know. By the way , red wine also has monotomic elements especially Cabernet Sauv, Merlot and Syrah or Shiraz. (Not to the degree as the white powder at all , yet enough to have healthful benefits for the body ). Thanks for your wonderful research .:)


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moonz, I got tired just reading your post....

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Aw Dusty, you s[i]mother[/i] from an other soular-systemplate.!!!! ;)
Shoulda called ya ''Star AngelDustbag o' Bones''....:) (haha.., sometimes I do just wanna 'starangle' you....:D)
Haha, not an oxymoron would be to call you the ol' ''Wingbag''. :P:P:P

[b]''ya know where I can score a dime bag''?[/b]
Sure. I can sparadigm bag if ya want. But it might not be up to your snuff.:D:D:D

[b]''(what ever happened to white-crosses)...'')[/b]
The last time I ever saw those non-black beauties, I gave a couple of ''mother's little helpers'' to my mom. (she asked) That was around '76 or so. A year after my last little trip through the 'lights fantastico'.....:cool: (who in the world ever thought..., ''the next time a little mushroom pops up out of some cow plop.., I'm gonna eat it?'')
On a more somber note.., as she had a stroke this summer.., the docs wanted to know what 'meds' she was taking. To my utter horror and amazement we found two ''30-day'' scripts (of 180 tabs per) of Oxycottin. Along with her codeine and other assorted goodies.., little wonder that a stroke struck. She's now 'wingin' it with her maker. Ya know.., today's wonder drugs are a 'formo'screweuticals'.

Haha.., do you think Mathura Das was saying to Dolf..., ''the toke's on you''..? Dolf Hartsuiker. Hmmm.., mighty close to ''Dolf (the) Heartseeker''

Hey Gnosis/Shay. Either of you read Sitchin's ''Earth Chronicles?'' The Annunaki..., (along with Neil Young) were 'miners' for the 'heart(s) of gold'. The storyline goes that the Annunakians needed gold dust to 'balance' their atmosphere somehow. Hahahahaha.., and it is surmised that they also altered/arranged our DNA. That's just great. Nowadays...(or at least since then) half of us are wandering around thinking that ''any nookie'' is good 'nookie'. Noooo-kiddin'. ;)


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Moonz the white powder Gnosis and I speak of is the same as what the Annunuki produced and the ancient Egyptians and other alchemists throughout time, very powerful stuff and its pretty awesome that a few people today know how to produce it too and even fewer know of its true value.:o

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