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yes, it seems that James is aware than only two percent of those who read these materials will put the LTOs techniques into practice for more than two weeks at a time ... but it is the same as anything else we expect to grow, it needs constant nurturing - for years ... you can't just plant a seed and give it water for two weeks, and expect it to grow into fruition --- it needs your consistant focus, constant watering, and feeding, in a healthy environment, other wise you have to start over from the beginning ... you can adjust your "mechanical routine" to include " daily watering" - you can not skip any steps in proven the process , but you can accelerate the process by doing your own research and using intuitive intelligence to add the nutrients it needs - consistently ... even pruning it back, from time to time so that it grows strong and stays flexible in our ever changing environment. After a while, one Masters the process and is nourished by the plant... and they feed each other.

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In the April 2013 interview, James put it this way:

“You see, the recitation of philosophy is based on words and mental ideology. Yes, it can

change behaviors to be sure, but it doesn’t bring the ultra-fine frequencies into the human

instrument. Only behaviors that are consistent to the virtues of the heart will purify and

prepare the human instrument to perceive the soul or higher self. To see its movements,

its perspectives, its insights, its consciousness. So, behaviors bring about preparation of the

human instrument, and these behaviors must be coherent and clear, and the only way they

can be of this quality, is if they’re genuine.



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Shayalana wrote:
In the April 2013 interview, James put it this way:

“You see, the recitation of philosophy is based on words and mental ideology. Yes, it can

change behaviors to be sure, but it doesn’t bring the ultra-fine frequencies into the human

instrument. Only behaviors that are consistent to the virtues of the heart will purify and

prepare the human instrument to perceive the soul or higher self. To see its movements,

its perspectives, its insights, its consciousness. So, behaviors bring about preparation of the

human instrument, and these behaviors must be coherent and clear, and the only way they

can be of this quality, is if they’re genuine.



”You cannot fake this. You cannot practice like a machine. You must be human, vulnerable,

open, humble, and willing to learn from yourself more than you’re willing to accept the words

of another.”


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YEP. Like he said. LOL

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About Climate Change...and the Species of the Planet...

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RACETTE: One of the things that gives me great hope for our future is to think about the potential of a self-aware super organism. It is through the observation of our own innate power that we are able to recognize humans do influence the earth’s environment and climate. This awareness is leading us to adapt our behavior and thereby give us greater ability to regulate life-sustaining processes.

I see tremendous potential within the human species to guide and develop life on earth. An important part to realizing this potential is in understanding the role consciousness plays in the evolution of the universe. We are moving towards an integrative approach to science that recognizes we as a human species are an integral part of the earth. This planet and the life it sustains really is an integral part of the universe, not separate and distinct from it.

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Earth Advocate: Interview with Robert Kennedy Jr.

“See you on the barricades!” is one of Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s signature phrases, and it aptly summarizes his attitude towards fighting the root causes of global warming. Kennedy is a warrior on the earth’s behalf and one of the most vocal critics of the oil and coal industries’ role in creating the ongoing catastrophe of climate change. His book Crimes Against Nature, soon to become a major motion picture, was a detailed and damning account of corporate cronyism under the Bush administration. Within the past year, his articles in Rolling Stone and Vanity Fair have served as blueprints for how America can effectively give up its dependency on fossil fuels and move into a renewable future."

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An excerpt from Crimes Against Nature and this was 8 years ago. He has made so many aware since then and continues doing so.

Robert Kennedy Jr. "Crimes Against Nature"

Robert Kennedy Jr. Indicts the Bush Administration for selling-off the USA's natural resources, polluting the air & water, & poisoning tens of millions of Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb0v4ENtVhA

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The way “to focus is by laughter. When people are laughing, they can’t think of anything else. That’s why laughter is the shortest form of meditation. - See more at: http://superconsciousness.com/topics/hu ... OlvcO.dpuf


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This Is Your Brain On Music

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Music can help recover damaged brain function by activating parts of the brain that are nearby.



Music demands focus… it is the innate organization of music which is the great bastion against chaos.



There is not one musical part of the brain. In fact, there’s sort of a dozen different parts of the brain which respond to pitch, rhythm, timbre, melodic contour…



Ones [brain] does not listen to music passively… one sort of decodes it as one listens.



We know now that the brain is continually shaping itself, being reshaped. There seems to be no end to the plasticity of the brain.


I think this can happen with many people that music can somehow bring back the feeling of life when nothing else can.



There is a primal power of music that not only synchronizes everything in the nervous system, but also synchronizes people together.



There needs to be real engagement with music, and a lot of it….

Visually, a neurologist cannot identify the brain of a mathematician or an artist, but can distinguish the brain of a musician.



Music should be part of education very very early….


Inside Oliver Sacks's Brain

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Russian scientists raising funds to rebuild Tesla Tower, satisfy world energy hunger

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Two Russian physicists are fundraising to realize their project for wireless energy transmission once proposed by brilliant 20th-century scientist Nikola Tesla. Solar panels and an upgraded Tesla Tower could solve global energy hunger, they say.

Leonid and Sergey Plekhanov, graduates of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, claim they have spent years scrutinizing the Nikola Tesla’s patents and diaries and they believe that with his most ambitious project – transcontinental wireless energy transmissions – Tesla came very close to unprecedented scientific discovery that could be brought to fruition.

The enthusiasts say they need about $800,000 to reconstruct the famous Wardenclyffe Tower once created by Tesla himself to implement his ideas and find a commercial application for his ideas on long-distance wireless energy transmission.

The Plekhanov brothers are raising money through IndieGogo kickstarter. The campaign will last until July 25. So far the project has managed to collect only 2 percent of the desired sum (about $18,000 out of the desired $800,000 as we publish this article).

According to the authors of the project, as of today all human civilization’s electric energy needs could be covered with a single installation of solar panel measured approximately 316 by 316 kilometers (100,000 square kilometers altogether) positioned in a desert somewhere near the equator.

They believe the only stumbling block to such a project is the delivery of electric energy to final consumers, as the loss of energy directly depends on the distance of transmission.

The Plekhanov brothers believe that only experimental verification of the theory could help the original idea become reality. They also say that their “creative interpretation" of the physical model proposed by Tesla has already been confirmed by “numerical simulation in Ansoft HFSS software.”

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Tesla Tower (Photo from Wikipedia.org)The original Wardenclyffe Tower (also dubbed the “Tesla Tower”), was constructed by Nikola Tesla in Shoreham, about 100 kilometers from New York, in 1901–17. It never became fully operational.

The 57-meter-high tower was made of wood and copper and after a number of experiences to perform trans-Atlantic wireless power transmission, as well as commercial broadcasting and wireless telephony, the tower was disassembled in 1917.

Leonid and Sergey Plekhanov believe the construction of their “Planetary Energy Transmitter” would be much lighter than that of Tesla’s, decreased from over 60 to mere 2 tons – all because of the modern materials used for the framework and up-to-date conducting materials. Naturally, the installation would be equipped with advanced electronics.

“We’ve conducted the fundamental research studies, implemented the computational models and designed all the parts of the experiment. We will be able to perform energy transmission and measure the results. Will it be ‘global’ as Tesla suggested? Based on the research that we've already done – we believe it will be, and we going to prove it experimentally,” the scientists wrote.

The scientists are going to repeat Tesla’s experiment in the fall of 2014.

And if the experiment works, the scientists say that a free energy world with limitless global energy transmission is possible.

Still, there are a number of considerations regarding the huge solar panel installation proposed by the Plekhanovs. Besides the fact that the very production of solar panels, at least on the modern level of technology, is really damaging for the environment, the efficiency of such power generation is still very low.

Besides that, such production is very expensive. A square meter of solar panel costs approximately $200. A simple multiplication of the sum by the proposed 100,000 square kilometers give us a stunning sum of $20 trillion, more than the gross GDP of either the US or EU. That’s without infrastructure. And even if the cost of production falls by several times, it would still be unspeakably expensive, experts say.

http://rt.com/news/170468-tesla-tower-rebuild-project/



The Russians have been working with Tesla technology ever since he sent his particle beam to Tunguska and Russian scientists figuring it out . They have been shooting US spy satellites out of the sky for decades and have advanced weaponary long since developed from all the research they have done for over half a century. They are not to be taken lightly or underestimated for what they are capable of doing with all they have developed of Tesla technology before the USA did. This is why I find this so important to unerstand and do. It's simple to do:

"It also helps to take some time to envision the planet the way you want it to be, because thoughts and imagination precede the creation and manifestation of what we are trying to obtain. (Be it a house, car, relationship, vocation, etc.) Besides caring more for earth, another major facet of the planetary shift is realizing the need to be more responsible for our own energy, thoughts, feelings and actions. This especially will upgrade the personal and global field environment.

Remember, we are always creating an effective or ineffective field environment with whatever thoughts, feelings and attitudes we are experiencing or putting out. We can consciously effect positive change in our personal and social field environments. Then the positive field environment will multiply our potential to experience a more balanced and joyful life. As one family, let’s lend a hand and raise the planetary pitch together."

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New Research Links Root of Consciousness to Quantum Processes Within Brain
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Science has long-struggled with the concept of consciousness but recent research has allowed for an understanding of quantum process within the brain, below the cellular level, that could lend scientific explanation to the concept of one’s soul, consciousness, and other subjective experience…
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A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness published in Physics of Life Reviews claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in “microtubules” inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors Stuart Hameroff and Sir Roger Penrose. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

The theory, called “orchestrated objective reduction” (‘Orch OR’), was first put forward in the mid-1990s by eminent mathematical physicist Sir Roger Penrose, FRS, Mathematical Institute and Wadham College, University of Oxford, and prominent anesthesiologist Stuart Hameroff, MD, Anesthesiology, Psychology and Center for Consciousness Studies, The University of Arizona, Tucson. They suggested that quantum vibrational computations in microtubules were “orchestrated” (“Orch”) by synaptic inputs and memory stored in microtubules, and terminated by Penrose “objective reduction” (‘OR’), hence “Orch OR.” Microtubules are major components of the cell structural skeleton.
“Consciousness derives from deeper level … in microtubules inside brain neurons”

Orch OR was harshly criticized from its inception, as the brain was considered too “warm, wet, and noisy” for seemingly delicate quantum processes. However, evidence has now shown warm quantum coherence in plant photosynthesis, bird brain navigation, our sense of smell, and brain microtubules. The recent discovery of warm temperature quantum vibrations in microtubules inside brain neurons by the research group led by Anirban Bandyopadhyay, PhD, at the National Institute of Material Sciences in Tsukuba, Japan (and now at MIT), corroborates the pair’s theory and suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations. In addition, work from the laboratory of Roderick G. Eckenhoff, MD, at the University of Pennsylvania, suggests that anesthesia, which selectively erases consciousness while sparing non-conscious brain activities, acts via microtubules in brain neurons.

“The origin of consciousness reflects our place in the universe, the nature of our existence. Did consciousness evolve from complex computations among brain neurons, as most scientists assert? Or has consciousness, in some sense, been here all along, as spiritual approaches maintain?” ask Hameroff and Penrose in the current review. “This opens a potential Pandora’s Box, but our theory accommodates both these views, suggesting consciousness derives from quantum vibrations in microtubules, protein polymers inside brain neurons, which both govern neuronal and synaptic function, and connect brain processes to self-organizing processes in the fine scale, ‘proto-conscious’ quantum structure of reality.”

After 20 years of skeptical criticism, “the evidence now clearly supports Orch OR,” continue Hameroff and Penrose. “Our new paper updates the evidence, clarifies Orch OR quantum bits, or “qubits,” as helical pathways in microtubule lattices, rebuts critics, and reviews 20 testable predictions of Orch OR published in 1998 – of these, six are confirmed and none refuted.”
“Suggests that EEG rhythms also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations”

An important new facet of the theory is introduced. Microtubule quantum vibrations (e.g. in megahertz) appear to interfere and produce much slower EEG “beat frequencies.” Despite a century of clinical use, the underlying origins of EEG rhythms have remained a mystery. Clinical trials of brief brain stimulation aimed at microtubule resonances with megahertz mechanical vibrations using transcranial ultrasound have shown reported improvements in mood, and may prove useful against Alzheimer’s disease and brain injury in the future.

Lead author Stuart Hameroff concludes, “Orch OR is the most rigorous, comprehensive and successfully-tested theory of consciousness ever put forth. From a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

The review is accompanied by eight commentaries from outside authorities, including an Australian group of Orch OR arch-skeptics. To all, Hameroff and Penrose respond robustly.

Penrose, Hameroff and Bandyopadhyay will explore their theories during a session on “Microtubules and the Big Consciousness Debate” at the Brainstorm Sessions, a public three-day event at the Brakke Grond in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, January 16-18, 2014. They will engage skeptics in a debate on the nature of consciousness, and Bandyopadhyay and his team will couple microtubule vibrations from active neurons to play Indian musical instruments. “Consciousness depends on anharmonic vibrations of microtubules inside neurons, similar to certain kinds of Indian music, but unlike Western music which is harmonic,” Hameroff explains.



Learn more about this discovery, comments of the science behind it, as well as further explanations from experts on the Elsevier website.

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261. Why Science Is Wrong…About Almost Everything

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Alex Tsakiris: Welcome to Skeptiko, where we explore controversial science with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics. I’m your host Alex Tsakiris, and on this short little abbreviated episode I have a couple of things to announce and talk about – the first being my book is done. Why Science Is Wrong…About Almost Everything is done, it’s out, it’s printed, it’s here on my desk. It’s available on Amazon. The printed version is available [but] it’s out of stock right now for a couple days…I just talked to my publisher by email and [it] has to do with the way Amazon orders these initial books, and all that stuff. But it’ll be back very soon; you can order it there. We hope to have the Kindle version up soon; that’s coming as well. So please do check it out there, or if you have another source where you like to get your books, please go there and check out Why Science Is Wrong…About Almost Everything.

And with the announcement of the book I of course want to thank all of you for the help and support that you’ve given me with the Skeptiko project that’s led to this book, and also for many of the ideas that have really been formulated through my interaction with you. I have to tell you, one of the things I’m most excited about with the book is using it as a vehicle to connect with more people. It’s always exciting to be able to share what I’ve learned; to share some of this new science. And I’ve already begun to do that. I’ve completed a couple of interviews on the book and they’ve been great. And it’s so fun to talk to people who have never heard about some of this stuff before, and expose them to it for the first time. Just like I said a minute ago, that’s really working out. I have several more scheduled, and I wanted to reach out to all of you.

If you know of other outlets where I can go on and talk about this book, and get these ideas out there, please let me know. I’m particularly keen to talk to groups that might not be initially super-receptive. [We] might be able to find some points of synergy where we can kind of shoehorn our way in there. I really would like to talk to skeptics about the book. I’d love to talk to mainstream science-types. [I would] love to talk to mainstream media-types…I’d love to talk to Atheists of course, Christians, and all sorts of folks. If you have any ideas along those lines, or if you’re a blogger/podcaster, or have those kinds of connections, let me know. That’s just going to be exciting [for] me, and it’s gonna be fun to get that out there. And as I do get that out there and go through that process, I want to let you know that I set up a website to more-or-less chronicle that journey…the rollout of the book [and] talking to these different groups. The website is whyscienceiswrong.com. I’ll get a link up sooner rather than later to that. And you can follow along and see who I’m talking to, and how it goes, and add your comments over there. So, I think we can have a fun time together exploring where that may lead.

Now the second announcement I wanted to make has to do with the Skeptiko show, and it more or less relates to what I was just talking about there. I feel that the Skeptiko show has gone through a couple major revisions. I always think of “Skeptiko 1.0” as being “Follow the data wherever it leads”…that was me thinking that science and skepticism was pretty much a straight-up game, and we just had to dig into the science and we’d get the answers that we need. And there’s some truth to that, but I think what it led to was a greater truth that I call “Skeptiko 2.0” – at least to myself I call it that. That was about “It’s more than the data”. It’s about the larger culture of science. It’s about deception [and] conspiracy. It’s about the way the world works and the motivations of the individuals involved. And we’ve explored that a great deal on Skeptiko, and it’s led to some interesting places. So with that, I kind of see the show moving towards “Skeptiko 3.0”, and that’s formulating in my mind right now, but I kind of see it as “The data collective”. It’s about how you and I can learn from each other and crowd-source this journey that I’ve been talking about, that I’ve been on. But really I’ve been on it with you because as you know if you’ve followed the show, especially recently, I’ve relied more and more on Skeptiko listeners to suggest guests. And recently I’ve even asked Skeptiko listeners to go ahead and book the guest…contact them, send them an email, [and] see if they want to be on the show. And you guys have done a fabulous job of that. There’s been some great emails that are really much better than I could write to entice people to join me on the show. And they’ve led to some really [amazing] interviews that I’ve grown a lot from. So I want to do that, but I want to take it one step further.

Now, if you check out the Skeptiko forum you may have noticed that I just put up a thread announcing my upcoming interview with a gentleman named Dr. Larry Malerba. He wrote a book a few years ago called Green Medicine, and he recently published a blog post on Bernardo Kastrup’s blog. That’s how I heard about him [and] Bernardo connected me with him. And I’ve opened up a thread on the Skeptiko forum so I can take advantage of this incredible collective knowledge of the Skeptiko listeners. Hopefully you can help guide me and we can work together to figure out what direction I should take this interview. I think that has two benefits. One, obviously, I can be better informed and ask better questions. But the other thing that I really want to get to is I’ve noticed so many times in the Skeptiko interviews that it’s really the second interview, or the follow up to the first interview, where some of the main meatiest issues really get resolved. It’s the “Interview 2.0”, if I can stretch the revision metaphor a little bit further. But I think that’s where all the action happens. And what I’m hoping is that by you participating in helping me formulate the ideas for these upcoming interviews, we can work together, we can maybe even collect some information, have an exchange with the guest – which I’ve offered to do with Larry, and Larry has agree to in a limited sense. So we can actually have a pre-email interview through the forum; then really get to the some meaty stuff in the show.

So I don’t know exactly how that’s going to turn out, but I think it’ll be interesting/fun, and it’s certainly a direction that I’d like to go with, because I think it’s a direction that we’re already going with [anyway]. [Now] it’s just more explicitly acknowledging your role in this whole process. So let me hear your thoughts on that. We don’t have to do it exactly the way I’m talking about. We might find a better way. I will issue a word of warning on suggestions – be careful what you suggest you may find yourself being construed as volunteering for something, but that’s OK too.

So I usually wrap up these episodes with a question, and I think the question here has already been put forth, and that is: What direction should we take Skeptiko as we evolve toward this Skeptiko 3.0 that I’m talking about? I’d love to, and need to, get your thoughts and ideas on that. The place to do it of course is through the Skeptiko website at Skeptiko.com. I usually pay most attention to the forum but I also try to get over to the questions that are posted in the “Discuss” section, the comments section of the website, and I’m pretty good at responding to email and Facebook queries – although I’ve been a little bit slow on Facebook lately, just been kind of busy.

So that’s going to do it for this short little mini episode, but I did want to get out there and tell you that this book is out there…I’m really looking forward to your ideas on how I can move these ideas forward – both in the form of the book and of course through Skeptiko and where we take that. So next week I have a great interview coming up. I forget who it’s with, but I have some really good ones in the hopper. John is helping me get those out…Oh! And before I forget I have to make sure to mention that John Maguire who is helping me produce the Skeptiko shows now is also the person who helped me edit this book; helped me a great deal in the editing process of this book. So, I want to make a special mention to John for all his help and his great ideas in working with me on the book. And he also wrote the appendix to the book that explains some of Dean Radin’s work with presentiment. So you can check that out as well.

So do stay with me for all of that. I know you will. And until next time, take care and bye for now.

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257. Dr. Diane Powell Finds Telepathy Among Autistic Savant Children

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Interview with Dr. Diane Powell about research into telepathy in autistic savant children.

Join Skeptiko host Alex Tsakiris for an interview with neuroscientist, psychiatrist and author Dr. Diane Powell. During the interview Powell discusses her latest telepathy research working with mathematically gifted autistic savant children:

Alex Tsakiris: So you are giving her a six-digit number, a two-digit number and then you are saying, “What is the answer if you multiply those two together?” [and the multiplication operation is] just to keep her mind occupied that there really is some mathematical work to be involved and [because] she is getting the answers telepathically… to each number, the two numbers you are multiplying together and the answer.

Diane Powell: Right, and one of the reasons I know it is [telepathic] not… doing this because she is a mathematical savant is based on a couple of errors that the therapist made. The therapist isn’t someone who knows math. So the therapist, when she looked at the piece of paper that had the equation that was asking for the cube roots, and this happened on two of the occasions… she is mistook the cube root symbol for meaning divide by three. So she asks the girl, “What’s the first number?” then she gives this long number and then she says and what is it divided by, and the girl says three, and then she asks, “And what’s the answer?” and the girl gives the answer for the cube root, she doesn’t give the answer for dividing that number by three.

Alex Tsakiris: Today we welcome Dr. Diane Powell back to Skeptiko. When we last heard from Dr. Powell in episode 197 – I had to look that up. It was almost one year ago at the beginning of 2014. Well, this Johns Hopkins School of Medicine trained neuroscientist with post doctorate training and psychiatry and a faculty appointment at Harvard Medical School – yeah, folks. She is really, really smart in case you don’t remember that. Anyway, when we last talked to Diane she was just getting ready to head off to India to conduct this really fascinating research into telepathy. And she was quite excited when we talked to her because she thought she really had a chance of nailing this down experimentally and showing people that this really can be demonstrated in a controlled experiment.

So she is back to tell us what she found out. Dr. Powell, welcome to Skeptiko. Thanks again for joining me.

Diane Powell: Thank you for having me. It is wonderful to have this opportunity to talk about the research.

Alex Tsakiris: Well great. Then let’s jump right in to talking about the research. Someone passed along a link to me about your work and then you were nice enough to give me a peek at the paper that is about to come out. Go ahead, tell us what you did, why you did it, and then what you found out.

Diane Powell: Well, what I did was years ago was I took my background as a neuroscientist and as a psychiatrist who spends time with patients, observing them and exploring what their experience of the world is. And I took that experience and I thought about who would be the most likely candidate to prove telepathy, if telepathy is real. And I decided upon studying the population called autistic savants, and these are people with autism, but they are also people who have some special skill that is unexplainable. For example, a mathematical savant would be somebody who can do complex math but they never had any formal training in how to do simple math, like simple multiplication. And so I thought when I looked at some of these skills that were accepted by scientists as they are reliably reproduced and they are just as mysterious as some of them – some of them are just as mysterious as what we would label as psy. So, for example, although you have people like Daniel Tammet who can give you Pi to over 22,000 decimal points. He has a phenomenal memory and he also has phenomenal pattern recognition.

I thought I could explain the savant skills by that kind of a modeling but when I was looking more and more at some of these savant skills, the people who were able to express what their experience is, they said that they are not dividing in their head and the answer just pops into their consciousness. And they don’t know how they get it. And so I thought that just sounds so much like psy, maybe it is. And so I hypothesized that it is not necessarily that psy is a savant skill it is more that if someone had psy they might be labeled and autistic savant and actually what they are doing is deriving the information psychically.

So I thought I am going to look for someone who has been diagnosed as an autistic savant and then also for telepathy I thought the situation which would make it most likely for someone to exhibit that would be if they had a high motivation. So the highest motivation is to be trapped in a body in which you cannot verbally communicate and that is the case for a child with nonverbal autism. We really don’t have any reason to think that they don’t have intact language capacity. What we do know is they have an inability to control their ability to speak and their ability to move their body in a way that they can communicate in usual ways. So that is the population I targeted.

Alex Tsakiris: Wow – let me stop there and recap because that is great thinking on your part. So you started out by saying okay, here is a recognized anomaly, consciousness anomaly, if you will. They are underdeveloped in this one way but they are super developed in this other way and the key thing I heard you say is that this is accepted in science and medicine. So we have studied savants and autistic savants, and that is a known phenomenon, so that is out of the way. And then you further said, – I love this last part, where you said is this a population that we could expect to one, experience psy, and because they are self-reporting that they are experiencing it and it seems to line up with the way other folks experience psy. And then finally – I love this other angle you put on it and you said that you just had this hunch as a psychiatrist this group of people might be highly motivated to communicate. So those factors together is what led you in this direction and that’s really quite amazing.

Diane Powell: Yes, well thank you, thank you. And so what I have – and this is one of the reasons why I think I am in a position where I could actually prove telepathy, that I have a model. I am approaching this as someone who studied and I have been in five different neuroscience laboratories and a lot of people don’t realize that I spent two decades immersed in the very scientific model that we get dismissed by as parapsychologists. So I am really somebody who is bridging both worlds.

Alex Tsakiris: And you worked. Just reading your [inaudible – 00:05:58] it is really impressive. You work with some very heavy people academically in terms of your neuroscience training, is that right?

Diane Powell: Yes, yes, exactly. I have worked with people who have been Nobel laureates and Nobel candidates. And I have worked in the neuroscience laboratory of Joseph Quail and he – and then I worked with him again when I did my child psychiatry training and Johns Hopkins. So he knew me as both a neuroscientist and as a psychiatry resident. And he went on from Hopkins to be the head of psychiatry at Massachusetts General Hospital and McClaine, where he still is. So I have people in academia who respect me as a scientist and what I need to do is translate this into the type of scientific language that I know they would understand.

Alex Tsakiris: I am sorry Diane, I kind of shifted things a little bit. I am really curious about this, and you touched on it, and that is the model that you actually have. You have a theory and a model for how this might work.

Diane Powell: One of the things that I am doing is I have a testable model and I really want to not get into my model too much because it is not published, so I would rather just get into explaining what I have in the way of data and where I want to go a little bit and leave talking about the model until later if you don’t mind.

Alex Tsakiris: You bet. Go ahead.

Diane Powell: So what I have in the way of data is I received a letter, actually, from the father of a child who was 9 years old at the time and he had heard, because of me expressing my interest in this child, he had heard that I was interested and he had been referred to me by Daryl [Treffert 00:05:58], who is an expert on autistic savants. And they thought initially that this girl was a mathematical savant because she was giving the answers to these very complicated math questions – for example, multiplying 6 digits by 6 digits, finding cube roots of 6-digit numbers, that sort of that thing. And she couldn’t do simple math. She couldn’t do simple multiplication. And what happened was when this therapist that works in the home with the girl – she made a mistake and she found that the girl would copy her mistakes. One time she switched from using a calculator to generate the answer to this equation, because they were beyond her ability. The answer switched when she went from using a calculator to an iPad to a logarithmic expression. And the girl actually typed out the logarithmic answer – and that is what made the therapist go, ‘Whoa, what is happening here?’

So it was someone in the field who is spending intense time with the patient, and I am still a practicing psychiatrist, and spending time with people that you get to see that these things are real. But unfortunately there is this huge divide between the people who are in the fields, doing this work, and the people who are the neuroscientists who are in the position of creating basically a model for our understanding of the brain and consciousness. So there is often this big divide and it is one half that isn’t speaking to the other half.

Alex Tsakiris: So there is this therapist who is working with this child – and it is interesting, let me make sure I got this right. You said she switched over from a digital calculator that gave the readout as a number, dot, and then a decimal. And then she switched over the iPad and gave the answer logarithmically and then as soon as she changed that the answers coming back from the kid she was working with changed accordingly – did I get that right?

Diane Powell: Yes, exactly. So for example if the answer was what the number would be if you were using a different base – let’s say you were going to have the answer expressed in binary notation, just a series of ones and zeros, this girl would be able to express the answer in the ones and zeros to make them simple because that is a binary expression of the same number. So it is absolutely amazing. Then another, a second therapist, independently who worked with the girl because she has about four therapists who work with her – the second therapist independently had a similar experience where she made a mistake and the girl repeated her mistake. Then she saw this often enough that she said, ‘Hey, it’s like you’re reading my mind.’ Then she had the thought, ‘How do you say I love you in German?’ And the girl typed out the German for ‘I love you’ – ich liebe dich.

Alex Tsakiris: Oh my gosh.

Diane Powell: So this created the opportunity to go and test her with two independent therapists. And the results, if people go to my website and they want to read the abstract, you will see that the results are astounding. I mean, there is this one period where I have over four hours of experimental footage with her. And there was a period of about ten minutes of where she gave – out of 162 random numbers, and I was generating these with a random number generator, out of 162, she only made 7 errors. And each one of those she corrected on the second try.

Alex Tsakiris: Say that again, really slowly. So tell folks exactly the setup and then how you conducted the experiment and then what the results were.

Diane Powell: So the setup was that the girl had been sitting – and when I was first contacted by her family she would sit at the same table with the therapist and the girl was typing independently the answers to these questions into either a iPad or into a talker, which is a device that has a qwerty keyboard and it has all the numbers there right on the device itself. It is something that has been developed specifically for children with autism and special needs.

Alex Tsakiris: Right, because she is nonverbal and she can’t speak in a normal way?

Diane Powell: Right, so this is their communication device, correct. And so she would just type into that using one finger. And so I said to them that they needed to have a visual barrier between the two of them because of the protocol that parapsychologists have to follow and there has to be no evidence of any kind of potential for visual of physical cuing. So because the girl is autistic and children who are autistic will react frequently in a way that they have tantrums when you introduce something new to their environment – because of that, you can only modify the environment in increments of change that they can handle. You want to minimize the stress to the person who is doing this. And so we introduced this basically standing mirror that is over 5 feet tall and it is about 2 feet wide, and we put material over it so the mirror part wasn’t there and that part was facing the therapist. But it had cloth over it. So it was essentially a 2-foot barrier between the two of them so that the therapist was on one side and she would ask this girl, who goes by the name of Hailey, would ask Hailey, ‘What am I thinking? What am I reading?’

I had generated random numbers, I generated random sentences, I generated even fake words and I gave them to – I had total control over the experimental conditions and it was only the therapist and Hailey in the room on either side of this divider. And I was with my videographer in another room and we had cameras documenting the experimental space entirely. We had cameras in front of them, behind them, mounted on either side of the divider, so that we saw everything. It was capable of a frame-by-frame analysis and we had a total of five different camera views watching everything.

The therapist would be given a stack of stimuli. For example, I think the most impressive time period was on the second day I was there and I was only there for three days. The second day that I was there, it was when I asked for her to give the numbers that are involved in mathematical questions and so I generated these numbers using a random number generator, created these large equations with them – for example, maybe multiplying a six-digit number by a two-digit number, that sort of thing. And then I used a calculator to calculate the answer. And the reason why I set up this part of the experiment this was that one of the things that I was told by the therapist – and this turned out to be true – is that she does better if she is fooled into thinking – she was getting bored with the constant telepathy experiments. They get bored, these are very bright children often times. So to make it more challenging for her and to make it feel like okay, we’re doing some homework here. I put it into this format of an equation.

I wrote them down on pieces of paper after generating them and then I put them in the stack, face down, and handed them to the therapist. And she picked them up one by one, and showed them to the camera on her side and says to Hailey, ‘What number am I thinking?’ And Hailey then would use her right hand to pick the number from a stencil – these are these plastic boards that are very thick that have cutout letters in them and numbers in them. And it is what she first learned language using. We ended up having to work with her with her pointing to the stencil first and then she would type the answer with her left finger into the talker. We had to do it that way because that was the way that the therapist had been doing it with her leading up to the time that I was able to go there and film it. So we couldn’t really change the protocol so we just filmed it as accurately as we could.

Alex Tsakiris: So you are giving her a six-digit number, a two-digit number and then you are saying, ‘What is the answer if you multiply those two together?’ just to keep her mind occupied that there really is some mathematical work to be involved and then she is getting the answers telepathically to each number, the two numbers you are multiplying together and the answer.

Diane Powell: Right, and one of the reasons why I know that it is not that she is doing this because she is a mathematical savant is based on a couple of errors that the therapist made. The therapist isn’t someone who knows math. So the therapist, when she looked at the piece of paper that had the equation that was asking for the cube roots, and this happened on two of the occasions and two of the ten equations were like this where she is looking at it and she is mistaking the cube root symbol for meaning divide by three. So she asks the girl to – what’s the first number, then she gives this long number and then she says and what is it divided by, and the girl says three, and then she says, ‘And what’s the answer?’ and the girl gives the answer for the cube root, she doesn’t give the answer for dividing that number by three.

Alex Tsakiris: Wow, that’s very interesting.

Diane Powell: Yes, and so the experiments – I am just describing a small set of the experiments but I missed it up. I had different ways in which I presented the different stimuli that I used. There are different ways in which I presented it. And so I have a lot of built-in controls in the data set itself. And this setup, no matter what people think is going on, this setup is a wonderful opportunity to explore whatever is going on here. Even if it were subtle cuing, which is really hard to imagine that it is because you don’t see anything that would indicate that.

Alex Tsakiris: Do we really have to go there? I mean, come on, this is such a simple experiment. You have five cameras and you have this divider. I mean, I know you have to go there but I almost think that is just like too goofy to even explore, subtle cuing. We don’t understand it, yeah, but I mean – recap for me again. I don’t want to – I know you have to go there and I know you will in your paper, but give us again the results. So now we understand that. You have got this six-digit number, a cube root. I mean I can’t do the cube root of 27. So a six-digit number cube root, I don’t even know. Then the results she gets – 100% of the numbers, like 30 or 40 times in a row.

Diane Powell: And she did that all in ten minutes. Each one of these equations only took her about a minute on average. And so for her to, in about ten minutes plus or minus some, she was able to give 162 numbers and only made seven errors. And corrected them on the second time. And what was interesting was when she made those errors they often times might have been errors that have to do with more of a motor control issue because having talked with people who have worked with these children they say that sometimes it’s harder for them to – that they will accidentally hit the wrong, like when we hit the wrong key. And there is no reverse there for her to go, ‘Oh, I didn’t mean that.’ So we had the remote feed and we could monitor the experiment from another room. And sometimes you could see that when she made the error that she was a little frustrated because there was no way for her to express to erase that. So next time I do experiments I am actually going to have built into whatever she is using as a communication device something where she can communicate that she wants to backspace and correct something.

Alex Tsakiris: So an unbelievably amazing result statistically. I don’t even want to get into statistics because it is just too outrageous, that kind of statistical significance that would be in that set of experiments there. I mean, 160 out of 170 or whatever it is, that’s just too amazing to even calculate. What does this mean? What does it mean Diane?

Diane Powell: Well I think that once telepathy is proven, and I really – one of the things I want to say is that because of the fact that there are these people who are such extreme skeptics out there, I am not done yet, I presented this data at the parapsychological association’s annual meeting in the Bay Area in August and people who saw the video, the called it jaw-dropping. It really is quite incredible footage.

The problem is that it is not blind the way the skeptics would like. The therapist who is there with her in the room is the one who knows the answer, ideally that wouldn’t be the case. But when I listen to the whole story, if you really look at this and you try to be parsimonious with your conclusion and you look at the fact that the father, the mother, two independent therapists, all of whom I interviewed independently for half an hour or an hour each about this child, they would all have to be lying to me because what they described to me is that she can do it without this particular setup. But there are skeptics who will say oh, there is an electronic device in the room. How do I know that it is not an electronic device? People are that skeptical.

So what I need to do is I want to put the best foot forward. I want to go back and film her. And I have at least two, if not three, other children who are like her to show that this isn’t just this child. And armed with being able to show that it is not just unique to this child and being able to go back and have the optimal setup, that is going to put me in a position where I can write this up and it will change everything. You know how much hostility there has been towards this area of research and when you actually come up with the first irrefutable data and you have people who are neuroscientists and I really believe that I have an opportunity to get neuroscientists to agree with this data. I have shown it already to some of my – I have shown my paper and I have also shown the experimental video to a psychiatrist from Johns Hopkins who looked at it and said it has to be telepathy.

So I really have something powerful here. I want to present it to the world with the best platform possible. I am looking to raise money for funding this next wing, to go back to India and a couple of other places in the world. There are also some children here in the US. And document their abilities, write it up, and change the paradigm.

Alex Tsakiris: Because you have been doing this and basically funding it out of your own pocket, more or less, up until now, right? This research generally costs a lot of money to conduct this on a full-scale basis. If you were being sponsored by a university this would be a million dollar plus kind of effort and I am sure you are just doing the best you can. But you have to fund this yourself, right?

Diane Powell: Yes, and that is what slows down the progress. That is why I haven’t written another book since the [inaudible – 00:26:11]. It is not because I haven’t advanced my model and my theory and thinking, and it is not that I don’t have a lot more to say, it is that I have an active, full-time psychiatrist practice that pays my bills for me to go to India and for me to go and do these kinds of experiments.

Alex Tsakiris: How much money do you need to raise, Diane? How can people hop on board? I am definitely on board with this, just give me the Kickstarter address and I am in. Just tell me how much we need to get how we are going to do it.

Diane Powell: What we are going to do is we are going to start a Kickstarter campaign on November 3rd and the reason why we chose that date is because I will be on Coast to Coast for November 3rd and there is a large audience then. And it will be – the Kickstarter campaign will be running through mid-December and I will be doing several radio appearances in the meantime. So I want people to spread the news about it. Tell all your friends. And in terms of how much money do I need, there are going to be different levels of funding. With Kickstarter campaigns there is an art to requesting funding. Ideally a million dollars would be phenomenal. That would enable me to devote myself to this work and get a book out there, get an article out there within this next year. If I got $100,000 that would enable me to go and my videographer could go and we could get additional footage that we could then use for a documentary and I could write up a paper. It wouldn’t be enough money to create the documentary. So what I am doing is I am going to set an initial level of $100,000 just for me to go and do the next phase of this research, which I am very optimistic will be all I will need to do. I am that close. But any money we raise beyond that will accelerate the pace at which this research gets out there.

Alex Tsakiris: Great, well we will certainly do our part here at Skeptiko and maybe a little bit before it hits on Coast to Coast and we will see if we can get a couple of folks over there to help get the ball rolling. It is important work. I just have serious doubts about whether or not this will lead to any big paradigm change. But I do think that you have some interesting angle in terms of I think you understand what it takes. Tell folks a little bit about why you think this can really change some minds. I mean, it’s not going to change everyone’s minds, but tell us why you think this has a chance of kind of permeating that stone wall against anything like this, any kind of psy or parapsychology, paranormal phenomenon.

Diane Powell: I think it is a combination of things. I think first of all it is the fact that I come from this neuroscience background and I am a neuropsychiatrist and I can write about this and discuss it in scientific terms. Secondly it is how compelling the data is. It is just strikingly compelling, particularly when you combine it with the stories of not only this child but the stories of other children who are highly telepathic. I have a model to explain it.

One of the things that I think is that I think this is really an innate ability. I don’t think it is supernatural, I think it is an innate ability but that autistic children are able to demonstrate it to the type of precision and reliability that is necessary for scientific proof and I don’t think it is a supernatural ability. I think it is something that is part of who we are as human beings and it is innate in all of us.

Alex Tsakiris: I think is looking through the wrong end of the telescope, but I will go with you for purposes of getting it through, sure yeah.

Diane Powell: Well you really I think that what we call supernatural – see one of the problems is that implies that it defies laws of nature. But if you think about the fact that we live in a world where Einstein radically changed our concept of time and space and matter, and that was a century ago.

Alex Tsakiris: But we don’t really live in that world. That is the issue. We don’t really live in that world, we just choose to say well, that all sounds good. Let me just go on with things the way they are. But I don’t know that we can live in that world. I don’t know if we are equipped to live in that world. And maybe what you are talking about – the last time you were on, I loved the phrase that you put down. You said, ‘I want to lay down a first paver for this.’ Like pave the highway, I want to just put the first layer on the road because we do have to start somewhere if we are going to try and turn the telescope around and say hey, let’s take a broader look at consciousness.

Diane Powell: Right, but all I am saying in terms of brining in the physics, because say that is just using the one weird phenomenon to describe another phenomenon, but what I am saying is that we actually do live in that world. It is not how we experience the world because our brain is what plays a role in how we perceive our world. But we do live in that world. We do live in a world in which matter is made up of – it is not what we think it is. We do live in that world.

Alex Tsakiris: And I wasn’t trying to be too obtuse, but in another way that we don’t totally understand we don’t live in that world because we construct a world that says time is linear. Yesterday was yesterday and tomorrow is tomorrow. We live in a world that we construct that says this is solid. Then we encounter other people who don’t live in that world. They say well no, that is not really the way that it is.

Diane Powell: Yeah, exactly. But I also believe that it is like – so for example, with telepathy I also believe that it is like the four-minute mile in the sense that people thought that you couldn’t run a mile in less than four minutes. And it was a psychological barrier. Once that psychological barrier was broken it was broken many more times and by at least 17 more seconds. And so I think that we have a very limited sense of what our potential is, and that is the point that I am getting at.

Alex Tsakiris: Yes.

Diane Powell: But in terms of being able to get scientists to look at this seriously I realized from what I know as a neuroscientist that there are all of these phenomena that are already unexplained phenomena and then when you lump them all together it really challenges the way that people think about our brain and its relationship to consciousness. It really does. But you don’t have to throw out neuroscience. There is a way of actually combining the best of both.

Alex Tsakiris: Right, there has to be because sometimes I get off on this thing about kind of knocking neuroscience and the kind of brain dead, materialist, reductionalist but it is super effective in a lot of areas and we can’t deny that. We have all this medical – all these medical miracles that prove that and all these drugs that prove that. So I think that is wonderful that you have this sense that they can be integrated. And I guess you are also saying, I am reading into what you are saying, that you feel like there is a certain groundswell of if not support maybe openness or willingness to kind of reconsider some of the ideas that you are talking about. Do you sense that?

Diane Powell: Oh, absolutely. I am seeing two things. One is that when I was at the parapsychological association meeting I saw that people were much more optimistic about parapsychology in our research and the increased interest in it. People are much more optimistic about that. This is one of those pendulums that swings back and forth. But more importantly there are more and more neuroscientists who are coming forward and saying, ‘Our model is broken. It doesn’t work.’ In fact, there are over 400 neuroscientists who are protesting this brain mapping initiative because they see it as a waste of time. It is not going to get us any closer to understanding it. So this is where I am a full member of both communities and I understand each of them and what they know. That is rare, most people aren’t in both communities and know what each other know. I know what the parapsychological community knows and there is a lot of really valid data out there that needs to be looked at. And I know what neuroscientists know and that has to be incorporated into the model. If it is not it will get rejected. And I am somebody who can do that.

Alex Tsakiris: That is very promising, and particularly the neuroscience that emerges out of the medical branch from these schools of medicine, these highly – some of the best schools of medicine in the world that you have been associated with – Johns Hopkins, Harvard, those kind of people. And the reason that I say that is what I am seeing in just observing this landscape is that the medical people, they are just more pragmatic. They are like hey, how do we get this done? How do we cure this illness? How do we make my patients better. They are kind of less inhibited by the philosophical implications of things. Do you find that to be true?

Diane Powell: Absolutely. That is one of the reasons why I want to present this to psychiatric communities, give it as a grand rounds talk about it in terms of we initially talked about it from the standpoint of look at what we’re seeing in this population of autistic children and get their interest because in psychiatry people with autism aren’t supposed to have a theory of mind. They are not supposed to realize that other people have ongoing thoughts. That is one of the kind of basic premises behind why it is named autism. Autism comes from autos, meaning self. And they think they are antisocial and really don’t have any concept of other beings as having consciousness. That is far from the truth.

So the fact that his girl can be asked by a therapist, ‘Read my mind,’ and she gets an accurate representation that is just – that alone breaks psychiatry’s conception of these children and it creates and opening to then say to look at this other thing as well. And yes, I do believe that clinicians, because those of us who actually work with these patients, we see that there is stuff that we don’t understand. Neuroscientists are in the laboratories and they are reading papers that confirm their theories and they are not really having them challenged the way a clinician does. And there is a pragmatism of it is not about me, it is about service. And what do I need to understand to serve you? I feel that way about individuals and I feel that way about society.

Alex Tsakiris: That is excellent. It is certainly an optimistic view of things and there is nothing wrong with a little optimism now and then. So let’s see if we can get everyone on board on this Kickstarter campaign. There aren’t many research projects out there that have this much potential to really turn the ocean liner a little bit, but you certainly made a great case for yours, Diane. So again, that kickstarter campaign, I will have that, folks, up in the show notes. I don’t have it right now because Diane hasn’t posted it but I will put it up in the show notes. Make sure you go over there and check it out and throw a few dollars that way. Let’s see if we can move this thing a little bit further along.

Diane, it has been great having you on. Is there anything else we need to mention before we go?

Diane Powell: Well, I was going to just put a little thing out there that was I smiled when I read who won the Nobel prize for medicine this year because it was work with rats and it is work that is on their internal GPS system. And they discovered these cells that are in the brain in the region of the brain that I am very interested in the limbic system that respond to and know where – it is like a map that the mouse has or a rat has which is a map of their environment. They trigger off certain cells specifically only when they are in that specific location within t heir environment. And that is what the Nobel prize was given to, proving that there is a sort of GPS in these brains.

Well, there is also research that is very interesting about large cats who have territories and they have a GPS in their brain and they have a sense of their territory and when there is another creature within their territory and not within sight or smell. They have similarly – they have a part of their brain that responds to that. Isn’t that interesting? Because that goes along with this idea that we have, within our brain, an ability to navigate space time around us. Do you see that?

Alex Tsakiris: Not exactly. The one thing that always is kind of hard for me is that when we start talking about neurocorrelates for consciousness, again I can’t feel that we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

Diane Powell: Okay, let me make sure that you understand this. This is a very important part because I am not really looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

Alex Tsakiris: I know you are not, and please explain it to me. I just worry that we have to put it in those terms in order for it to fit in with this accepted paradigm that we have, that the brain is kind of creating consciousness and that sort of thing. But please, go ahead.

Diane Powell: Actually, it isn’t about the brain creating consciousness. This is about the brain’s ability to navigate our world in ways in which it is not the census that we know about, that the information is coming from. So that goes against the model that neuroscience has. This cat that is not – the fact that a part of its brain lights up and is more active and gets more of an electrical signal when specifically something is happening within this internal map that is has of the world –

Alex Tsakiris: So there is an extra antenna in the rat’s brain that we don’t –

Diane Powell: Right, that is what I am saying. And so the neurons – if there is perception, so when somebody perceives a vision, and it could be that the vision actually is associated with something that is – just any experience that you have, Any human experience that you have, whether it is hallucination or actually seeing something that is really there, they each light up the visual cortex. That doesn’t explain anything, that is a correlation. The reason why the correlation is important is not as an explanatory thing. the correlation is important because anything that is really happening in conscious experience has a correlated neural activity but the neural activity doesn’t explain it. It just validates that this person is actually having an experience. So for example if you have two people in fMRIs that are in telepathic communication and you have one person who is thinking about something that activates one specific part of their brain and simultaneously the person in the other scanner has the same part of their brain activated and you see that, that is just something that shows you that there is something going on there, but it is not to be confused with mechanism.

Alex Tsakiris: I am with you, Diane, and I don’t want to get too far afield. But what pops into my mind is that I don’t even know that is valid. You obviously know the research a lot better than I do, but I just stumble across these things and I stumble across David Nutt’s work in the UK with psilocybin. There is an inverse correlation, right? We would expect these areas of the brain to be more stimulated, more excited, and they are not. They are less. Or the most dramatic cases, near-death experience and now we don’t have any neurocorrelates at all. And we still have a conscious experience, as near as we can tell, that somehow gets reported back and gets incorporated in and maybe even gets reincorporated back into that physical structure of the brain. So I love what you are saying.

Diane Powell: With the near-death experience, we do have neurocorrelates. Often times the neurocorrelate is a flatline EEG. So it is not the correlates that the current model would expect.

Alex Tsakiris: Right, but I mean I think both – I am with you on this. I think both are true. First of all, let me step back and say that is fascinating new information for me, that the rat – we study it and it has another antenna here that isn’t one of our five sense, but there it is and it lights up like a GPS system when he walks into this familiar territory. That is really cool and the same thing happens in a cat. The cat has a GPS system and that starts explaining a lot of these strange phenomena. I am totally with you there and there are huge advances that need to be made there. I just think at the same time that we have this other stuff over here that will never fit into that because when we talk about the near-death experience and we don’t have any electrical activity and then we have this out of body – I mean, how could we even have senses that – that just really freaks people out. I don’t know how well those merge and I think what is really exiting about what you are saying, and I am totally with you on this is that you say we don’t have to worry about some of those questions right now, we just have to kind of keep pushing forward. And you are trying to push forward on this one front that is extremely promising and you are saying let’s lay down the path over here and come up over this next vista and see where that gets us. Then we can kind of tackle more and more of these questions.

Diane Powell: That’s right. So what I am saying, and I think this is really important, that this research is not one that one could say is really addressing the issue of materialism. I think that it doesn’t – this is addressing the conscious experience that people have when they experience something like telepathy or clairvoyance. This is not getting – there is still that question of how one thing as immaterial as consciousness arises from the brain. That is a whole other area of research that I am also engaged in but that is a different question, you are right. And I am not saying that this addresses that question. I am saying that just like with the area of the brain that if you stimulate the right temporal lobe people will have a spiritual experience. And scientists argue about does that mean that God exists and some people say yes – why would we have a place that gives us that experience if it didn’t exist? Then you have other people that say no, it is just an illusion. So you are still going to have that kind of an argument after this work. But there are still more years ahead to be continuing to do this research. I am just trying to address this and I am putting it in the second paper.

Alex Tsakiris: Right, great. And it sounds like a fantastic second paper. So we are going to try to get this out and see if our little audience can kick in. I rarely ask people to – I never ask people to donate any money to this show and I rarely ask them to support any causes but I think this is the perfect kind of cause for Skeptiko listeners to get behind because it is science, it is research. How can you object to this? And it is very, very difficult to get this work done if it is not privately funded because at this point there is nobody who is going to get behind this.

Now, I imagine if you got a little bit further you probably could get some institutions who could get behind it. But not at this stage, right?

Diane Powell: That’s correct. I am optimistic that in the future I will be able to get traditional funding sources but no, not at this time.

Alex Tsakiris: Well Diane, this is great work. Again, best of luck with it and please do keep us in touch in terms of how it is going.

Diane Powell: Okay, thank you very much. Take care.

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Traveling back to Earth, having just walked on the moon, Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell had an experience for which nothing in his life had prepared him. As he approached the planet we know as home, he was filled with an inner conviction as certain as any mathematical equation he'd ever solved. He knew that the beautiful blue world to which he was returning is part of a living system, harmonious and whole—and that we all participate, as he expressed it later, "in a universe of consciousness."

Trained as an engineer and scientist, Captain Mitchell was most comfortable in the world of rationality and physical precision. Yet the understanding that came to him as he journeyed back from space felt just as trustworthy—it represented another way of knowing.

This experience radically altered his worldview: Despite science's superb technological achievements, he realized that we had barely begun to probe the deepest mystery of the universe—the fact of consciousness itself. He became convinced that the uncharted territory of the human mind was the next frontier to explore, and that it contained possibilities we had hardly begun to imagine. Within two years of his expedition, Edgar Mitchell founded the Institute of Noetic Sciences in 1973.

Today, Dr. Mitchell serves on the board of directors of the institute. He continues to be active at institute events, including lectures and conferences. He is the author of The Way of the Explorer.

http://noetic.org/directory/person/edgar-mitchell/



The Quantum Hologram And the Nature of Consciousness

by Edgar Mitchell and Robert Staretz, 2014.


Abstract
We present a new model of information processing in nature called the Quantum Hologram which
we believe is supported by strong evidence. This evidence suggests that QH is also a model that
describes the basis for consciousness. It explains how living organisms know and use whatever
information they know and utilize. It elevates the role of information in nature to the same
fundamental status as that of matter and energy. We speculate that QH seems to be nature’s built-in
vast information storage and retrieval mechanism and one that has been used since the beginning of
time. This would promote QH as a theory which is basis for explaining how the whole of creation
learns, self-corrects and evolves as a self-organizing, interconnected holistic system.

KEY WORDS:
Awareness, Consciousness, Entanglement, Information, Intention, Intuition, Mind, Non
-Locality, Perception, Phase Conjugate Adaptive Resonance, Quantum Hologram, Resonance,
Zero Point Field.

1. Definition of Consciousness
One common dictionary definition of consciousness is "the ability to be aware of and to be able to
perceive the relationship between oneself and one's environment". The most basic definition,
however, is simply "awareness". Another definition suitable for more complex organizations of
matter such as animals with a brain includes a description which contains some of the following
ideas: "thoughts, sensations, perceptions, moods, emotions, dreams, and awareness of self". Just
like life itself, consciousness is one of those things that is easy to recognize but very difficult to
define. It has been debated by philosophers in the West since the time of ancient Greek civilization
over twenty five hundred years ago.

Eastern traditions have been wrestling with the concept of consciousness for millennia and seem to
have a much better handle on it although still not nearly complete. In the West, explanations of
consciousness have been mostly ignored or left to our religious traditions. This is certainly true
since thetime of Descartes and the philosophy of Cartesian duality. It has only been in very recent
times that a serious effort to understand mind or consciousness has been undertaken by the
scientific community. Much of the effort now underway is based on the assumption of
epiphenomenalism, that consciousness, or mind if you prefer, is a byproduct of the functioning of
underlying physical structures of the brain and that mind is confined entirely within the brain’s
processes. However, there is a considerable amountof accumulating experimental and anecdotal
evidence suggesting that this interpretation is not correct (Chalmers 1996; Penrose 1994).

At a basic level consciousness seems to be associated with a sense of separation and awareness of
the surrounding environment from the conscious entity. It also seems to be associated with the
ability to process, store and / or act on information gathered from that external environment. But is
consciousness restricted to a functioning brain? Are microscopic organisms such as viruses,
amoeba, and algae conscious in some primitive sense? Clearly they do not have brains let alone a
nervous system or even neurons. And yet they demonstrate purposeful behavior and are aware of
their environment. Amoeba, for example, search for food by moving on pseudo pods toward prey
that they eventually surround, engulf and digest. Several types of algae are so versatile that they
change the process how they obtain food based on available sunlight. When light is plentiful,
they gravitate towards it, which they sense through a photoreceptor at one end of the cell.
If the light is too bright, they will swim away toward more suitable lighting conditions.

At a more primitive level viruses are considered by many scientists as non-living because they do
not meet all the criteria commonly used in the definition of life. They do, however exhibit some
aspects of consciousness or at least some rudimentary form of an awareness of their surroundings.
Unlike most organisms, viruses are not made of complete cells. They reproduce by invading and
taking over the machinery of their target host cell. When a virus comes into contact with a potential
host, it inserts itself into the genetic material of the host’s cell. The infected cell is then instructed to
produce more viral protein and genetic material instead of performing its normal functions. Is that
purposeful behavior or intentionality by the invading virus?
It would seem that based on our first definition, even simple living entities are conscious to some
degree, since they display a level of awareness and intentionality to, in some way, manipulate their
environment. And, it’s not just restricted to living entities. We find certain properties all the way
down to the subatomic level, particles in some sense aware of their environment. How is this
possible? At the molecular, atomic and subatomic levels it is through the quantum phenomenon of
entanglement and non-locality that particles act and react to other particles with which they have
become entangled.

more...

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ya know, shay, if you were to post a comment about why you believe the articles that you post are related to the WMMs, people might even read them, but when there is no apparent link to the materials being discussed in this forum, one might assume that there is no link and just something you find interesting and have no other place to share (?)

even when you post them in the "general" section, it is still part of the WMF and IMO, should be somehow related to the materials, that make this a unique forum and not just a place to chit chat about any ole "current event''

even just a small comment to reveal how you think they are linked to the materials would be encouraging because the WMF isn't intended to be a bulletin board, it was intended to be a place where we could discuss the WMMs

as it is, I feel fairly certain that you are getting paid by the post especially when you post three or four unrelated articles in a row, within minutes of each other, that don't allow for any discussion at all, that are all unrelated to the materials we joined this forum to discuss ... even when they are interesting, that is not what this forum was created for as state by James (below)

The WingMakers' discussion forums exist to enable each of you to express your innermost thoughts and findings about the WingMakers' materials. It also enables you to practice and refine your ability to demonstrate respect, appreciation, and understanding. I encourage each of you to integrate these behaviors in your dialogue because they carry a kindling effect for the information contained within these materials -- both for you and those who tread with you on this path.
James - Q and A - Session 2

thank you for your co operation, in advance ... since everything in this Cosmos is related, and the WMMs is a study of Cosmology and Universal Truth, it shouldn't be difficult to find the link and point it out to the members ... that would demonstrate your " respect, appreciation, and understanding" of the unique purpose of creating this Forum.

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If you are unable to make the connections then perhaps, you need to work harder if not read what is posted before you make any unfounded accusations or comments that make you put your foot in your mouth yet one more time. The WMM is foundational and is not isolated from everything else like you want to make them, as in separationJust to reremind you the discovery of the Grand Portal is a scientific discovery. Edgar Mitchell a very very intelligent man, exemplifies and verifies all of his research and conclusions with rigorous science and what he has discovered in consciousness is very much related to the WMM such as the work HeartMath does and many others of a scientific bend. You already stated on this forum that you feel no need to read so I have nothing to discuss with you since you haven't read what you criticize. I post what I post because real discussions don't take place on this forum anymore. There may be a very good reason for that which I won't go into here. I would think by now that you would give up on trying to tell me what I can or cannot do on this forum. :roll:

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Moving on here . Talk about a change in consciousness... :lol:

What is permaculture?

Permaculture is a creative design process that is based on ethics and design principles. It guides us to mimic the patterns and relationships we can find in nature and can be applied to all aspects of human habitation, from agriculture to ecological building, from appropriate technology to education and even economics.

By adopting the ethics and applying these principles in our daily life we can make the transition from being dependent consumers to becoming responsible producers. This journey builds skills and resilience at home and in our local communities that will help us prepare for an uncertain future with less available energy.

The techniques and strategies used to apply these principles vary widely depending on the location, climatic conditions and resources that are available. The methods may differ, but the foundations to this holistic approach remain constant. By learning these principles you can acquire valuable thinking tools that help you become more resilient in an era of change.

You can begin by exploring this website, focusing on an area of interest or step-by-step by clicking on the bike icon to discover examples of how permaculture can be applied and the philosophy behind the concept...




Changing the world with permaculture

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Here's an interesting article for you Urbanites out there. There is hope for city dwellers and of course it's about thinking outside the box being aware and knowing solutions are possible. I don't necessarily agree with everything in this article you can see for yourself.The person who wrote this article , Dustin Bajer, started the first Permaculture course for students to participate in ,in a high school in all of Canada. The high school is where I attended way back when and the cooking class gets a lot of produce from what is grown in the school food forest and the fish from the hydroponics aspect of the course. Many courses are interconnected and it is shown to the students. This is really cool! I wish they had this when I attended that school.

Redefining Nature: Why broadening our definition to include cities, the internet, and technology can help save us

Nature isn’t natural… or, at least, the way that we currently think about it isn’t. As a society, I believe that we’ve got it all wrong and that we create a lot of problems, as a result. I might even go so far as to say that the closer we can align our guiding principals with the way that the world works, the better off we (and nature) will be.

When you imagine nature, what comes to mind? A tree? A bird? What if I told you that these are products of nature (they are natural) but they themselves are not nature. To use an idiom, we can’t see the forest for the trees. Let me explain, but first, let’s examine a few mental roadblocks that we tend to get hung up on. As a culture, we tend to:


~ view nature as something static and fragile; a things that needs to be protected so that it can remain in its original state.
~ think of nature as competitive rather than cooperative; survival of the fittest.
~ think of ourselves as separate and incapable of interacting with nature in positive ways.
~ believe that we’re inherently at odds with nature; battling over resources.

Not only are these misconceptions fundamentally untrue and keeping us from experiencing nature’s true beauty but they’re preventing us from accessing the most abundant solution bank on the planet.

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Nature Is A Network If we’re to solve many of the problems facing us, we need to broaden our understanding of nature as a collection of natural things to a network and the set of patterns and principals that make it function. In doing so, I believe that two things can happen (1) we can establish a framework for interacting with natural systems in ethical ways (ways that benefit the planet and ourselves) and (2) we can align our own systems with these same patterns and principals; we can become part of nature.

Nature is a network, created and governed by a set of patterns and principals that, over time:


~ increase interconnectedness.
~ increase complexity and diversity (diversity builds redundancy and resiliency).
~ expand the adjacent possible (increases the potential for more connections, niches, etc)
~ increase the ability to capture and store energy and resources.
~ slows the flow of matter and energy (cycling matter and decreasing enthalpy).
~ creates the conditions conducive to expanding.

Nature is a network of interconnected elements bound together by patterns and principals. So here’s the question: does the essence of nature reside on the elements (materials) being used or on the connections that bind them? A forest, as an example, is composed of trees, animals, soils, rock, carbon, water, oxygen, phosphorous, etc. but could a system of cables, electronics, data-storage, and users, bound together by similar patterns, also be natural? If a spider makes a web and we call it natural why couldn’t the human made “the web” be natural as well? In his 2010 book What Technology Wants author Kevin Kelly makes an exceptionally good case that technology is an extension of biology; he goes further by describing the “technium” as an emerging 7th kingdom of life. For me, this comparison becomes a lot more obvious when comparing the network maps of these two systems.

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Side by side network maps of an ecosystem and the internet. Though, the materials they’re made of are different it’s hard to deny that their success relies on the use of similar patterns and principals.


Kelly takes another step describing good technology as opening more doors than it closes (expanding the adjacent possible) and that each stage in technological succession is built upon the preceding stage (creating the conditions conducive to expansion). I think that he’s dead on; it’s the patterns and principals of nature, not the building blocks, that make something natural and, if this is true, we’ve just greatly expanded our own adjacent possibles. Does technology have Coinstar point an ecological footprint? Absolutely, but I also believe that (good technology) is allowing us to do much more with much less and that if we continue to integrate natural patterns into our systems that the impact will continue to lesson while benefits increase.

Can humans create natural things? I think that we do already. Though, as with the internet example, I don’t think that we’re always aware of it. In his book, Ecocities, author and urban theorist Richard Register describes cities as places for “maximizing connections” and, for the first time in history, more than 50% of the planet is living is urban environments. Why? One explanation is that cities are networks; exceptionally rich places for sharing experiences, commerce, culture, genetics, etc. and that they offer more opportunities than rural environments. According to studies done by physicist Geoffrey West, cities scale sub-linearly; this is to say that the larger a city is the less resources it needs to function. As an example, the average New Yorker has the smallest carbon footprint in the United States, “less than 30% of the national average” because of the city, not the people. How did this happen? Naturally, of course; stacking connections and opportunities is analogous to stacking layers in a forest. In close proximity, resources are shares and opportunities are created; in fact, according to West, if you double the size of a city you more than double the innovation within it (supra-linear scaling). Imagine the possibilities of further integrating natural systems into urban settings; urban ecology could grow food,
increase biodiversity, capture and clean water, and process waste. As I’ve said before, cities could be among the most biologically rich places on the planet.

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Curb Cut Swales, Layers of a Forest, Layers of a Forest City

So what’s the big deal? Why redefine nature if we’re already unconsciously adopting it to create solutions? I think that part of the answer comes from nature’s subtleness; we’re used to seeing the products of nature but not the underlying patterns that creates them and that’s understandable; they’re hidden. However, if we can consciously bring these patterns and principals to the front of our minds and embrace them, I believe that they could serve as ethical and life affirming guides to designing human systems; for we are their product so too can we use them to expand nature’s adjacent possible.

http://permacultureschool.ca/permacultu ... ng-nature/


You can suss this for yourselves, We do not need to become a part of nature we already are a part of nature. Nature is not man made. The tech we use is man made and that is a fundamental difference. Tech makes our lives easier and less laborous if not demonstrates how interconnected we are, but is not "natural" in the sense that nature is. As in all things in this dualistic Hologram we find ourselves experiencing there's good and bad. We have to be careful here lest we justify Transhumanism and its argument that incorporating nano and computer technology within Human 2.0 is "natural".

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For you Urbanites!

Urban Permaculture with Geoff Lawton

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This from eco systems and the internet and their similarities with permaculture.

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unknown variables on the net, the white in both of the examples could be a nonlocal observer(s) no one knows who. It's a cool thought.

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(From Alien Presence on the Internet by Richard Allan Miller) Internet mapping project weaves colorful web 18:50 28 November 03 NewScientist.com news service

Each color on this Opte map represents a region;

North America, blue; Europe/Middle East/Central Asia/Africa, green; Latin America, yellow;
Asia Pacific, red;
Unknown, white.
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This is very interesting. This is not the new age law of attraction if anything it is more about scientific proof
of us bathing in love because it is the frequency of vibration 528 Hz coming from the sun!


The Secrets Of Vibration 528hz) Hidden truths of sound! Law Of Attraction Part 1

Do you know that the universe vibrates and so do you, even grass vibrates at 528hz, so what does that mean for you,
well check out the video and be amazed for more info go to:

http://www.souldip.com


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Leonard Horowitz wrote a book call "The Book of 528" and here is a link to an excerpt to that book.

http://thebookof528.com/TheBookOf528/Ho ... Sample.pdf

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This is awesome! By using the sound frequency of 528 hz some people were able to
clean up some of the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico! This is from an article written on
Leonard Horowitz website.Proof that sound creates or recreates!


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How it cleaned polluted water in the Gulf of Mexico

In 2010, John Hutchinson, an electromagnetic energy expert from Vancouver, B.C., Canada, helped purify poisoned water off the Gulf of Mexico following the BP oil spill. He and his research partner, Nancy Hutchinson (formerly Nancy Lazaryan), used the 528 Hz frequency and other Solfeggio tones to reduce the oil and grease in polluted waters.

The polluted area was treated with the frequencies for four hours the first day, and by the next morning, the waters were cleared. They also did four more hours of RF frequency to complete the test. The frequency device was situated about 25 feet up the beach from the water.

They restored the water’s vitality as manifested by the return of fish, dolphins and even barnacles. Nancy said that ‘the water that had been murky brown was a clear green. Two dolphins came into 5 feet of water to visit. Lots of schools of fish and crabs [were] very active’.

Their results were certified by Dr. Robert Naman, President of Analytical Chemical Testing Laboratory, Inc. of Mobile, Alabama. Dr. Naman, an analytical chemist with almost 30 years in the field, tested the samples and confirmed the complete removal of oil and grease from the after treatment sample source tested.

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As you can see, the amount of oil and grease “before” the frequency treatment was 7 ppm (parts per million, or milligrams per liter); while the samples that had undergone the frequency exposure measured less than 1 ppm.

John’s method of using sound and radio frequencies nearly eliminates the oil and toxins completely, and has no known dangerous side effects. John and Nancy can clear a radius of about a mile in one 24-hour session.

Analytical Chemical Testing Laboratory, Inc. (ACT) stated, “While the technology is not completely understood by the undersigned, it is clear that the process may have extreme value, and it should be given a chance to be presented and tested on a large scale basis.”


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Sharry calls herself a mutant because she is able to hear and emit a range of sounds most people
can't hear let alone replicate. She heals with sound and has helped to develop computer software that
can aid people in learning and using sound to heal and benefit oneself and others.


The Plane Truth ~ Analyzing Health and Healing with Sound
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Kerry Cassidy / Sharry Edwards - 17 January 2014

Published on Jan 18, 2014

Whistleblower Radio/Freedomslips.com - Kerry Cassidy's interview with scientific researcher Sharry Edwards on her work with BioAcoustic Therapies.

http://www.projectcamelotportal.com/
http://www.soundhealthoptions.com/
www.freedomslips.com/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y94OZsMNo0

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 Post subject: Re: A Science and Technology Thread
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hutchison effect

cymatics and use of frequencies to manipulate material, some say this is used as a
modern weapon discreetly, and for other purposes. check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUgDJc ... e=youtu.be

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