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hiyas all...(((all)))...

it has been pointed out that the Urantia book is closely aligned with the Liminal Cosmogony book which will begin to surface in the future to assist us...

the Urantia book is nothing more than a set of facts as well as a story of an interesting set of events which transpired on our planet, namely the life of jesus...

james refered to it as a tributary zone...and by utilizing this tributary zone, for those who find value in utilizing tributary zones, one can find alot of assistance...

it is of help to understand that there is a line where lyricus and urantia meet...if one can take both sets of information and unify them then this one can begin to gap the invisible road into the future which will step forth in the form of communication which is the Liminal Cosmogony...

it is very easy to read a paragraph and misapply it's information and thereby become sidetracked from finding truths...judgementalism on the sleeve or emotionalism out of control when attempting to learn is where many find self when seeking in the urantia book because it's truth is plainly spoken and in many cases conflicts with modern day religions...

it is not encoded as the wingmaker's material...it is but plain truths...unencoded...yet it is a tributary zone...


"Tributary Zone
Tributary Zones are catalysts for awakening the Wholeness Navigator within the human instrument for the purpose of helping humanity discover the Grand Portal. They are separated into three distinct categories:

Superuniverse-Based Tributary Zones
Galactic-Based Tributary Zones
Planetary-Based Tributary Zones

The Superuniverse Tributary Zones are seven in number and constitute the repository of required knowledge in order to discover the Grand Portal for a life-bearing planetary system within that particular superuniverse. These are the archetypes for all other Tributary Zones -- either planetary or galactic.

Galactic Tributary Zones are also seven in number and closely resemble their superuniverse counterparts. They are generally transposed by specialists from the Central Race, and are established near or within the galactic core of a life-bearing galaxy possessing sufficient numbers of intelligent, sentient life.

Galactic Tributary Zones are ultimately transposed to a planetary level as encoded sensory data streams. Generally, this occurs shortly after the planetary system establishes its first phase of the OLIN Technology or global communications network.

Planetary Tributary Systems are a diverse set of artistic and text-based contributions created by members of the species who have sufficiently interacted with the Galactic Tributary Zones in their dream state. In some instances, these may include works from other planetary systems within the same galaxy. Generally, Planetary Tributary Zones are created in the form of books, art, poetry, and motion pictures. They are not encoded sensory data streams, as in the case of the Galactic Tributary Zones, and they are focused on preparation of the species."

in the case of this particular set of writings it crosses another sub-category, namely dimensions...for some of the authors come from the inner dimensions and are considered angels while others are from the inner dimensions and are not considered angels but others who work with angels...and more...

if james calls this a tributary zone...which means..."Tributary Zones are catalysts for awakening the Wholeness Navigator within the human instrument for the purpose of helping humanity discover the Grand Portal."...then why would anyone seeking to awaken refuse to seek within its pages...

the hardest aspect can be the unification of the information because of the individual's misunderstanding of presented knowledge from wingmaker's and lyricus' presentations as well as the urantia book...

yet this step can be of great assistance to the individual in clearing up misunderstandings...for when one can explain a topic from diverse perspectives then expansion is relevant to accomplishment...

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Hi Finaliter
I am quite interested in this Urantia book you have talked of.
As I see the [i]ACIM[/i] book in a similar light. Because the [i]ACIM[/i] book deals with the day to day issues of actually interfacing the core 6 virtues of the Event Temples in a more expanded and subconscious mind enhancing way
(Hence the 1300 pages and daily lesson activity section, and also the ability of one to keep reading the book over and over again and still come across valuable profound insights.) So one can readily call upon the 6 Virtues of Divine love in a more second nature way when actually faced with day to day issues of energy in motion(emotion)within us all.

Though the basic and most simple lesson being in the [i]ACIM[/i] book is that we are all beings of divine Love at our core and that everything else external to that is in fact Maya.



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hiyas all...(((all)))...

the acim is a creation of men...if this is the case then it will be filled with truths and mixed in amoungst the truths will be errors...the trick then, as any religion or philosophy, is to garner the truth from amoungst the errors...

in the life of jesus he would follow event strings to their conclusion understanding that the paradise father was unfolding manifold event strings in relation to his bestowal mission...each day he would follow the structure of being spirit lead which he described as "doing the will of the father"...and he would watch for these event strings so that he might follow through on the events layed out before him...

here is an event string which unfolded for his to utilize in teaching the deciples a strong lesson concerning judgementalism...

"The next day Jesus went with the twelve over to Amathus, near the border of Samaria, and as they approached the city, they encountered a group of ten lepers who sojourned near this place. Nine of this group were Jews, one a Samaritan. Ordinarily these Jews would have refrained from all association or contact with this Samaritan, but their common affliction was more than enough to overcome all religious prejudice. They had heard much of Jesus and his earlier miracles of healing, and since the seventy made a practice of announcing the time of Jesus' expected arrival when the Master was out with the twelve on these tours, the ten lepers had been made aware that he was expected to appear in this vicinity at about this time; and they were, accordingly, posted here on the outskirts of the city where they hoped to attract his attention and ask for healing. When the lepers saw Jesus drawing near them, not daring to approach him, they stood afar off and cried to him: "Master, have mercy on us; cleanse us from our affliction. Heal us as you have healed others."

Jesus had just been explaining to the twelve why the gentiles of Perea, together with the less orthodox Jews, were more willing to believe the gospel preached by the seventy than were the more orthodox and tradition-bound Jews of Judea. He had called their attention to the fact that their message had likewise been more readily received by the Galileans, and even by the Samaritans. But the twelve apostles were hardly yet willing to entertain kind feelings for the long-despised Samaritans.

Accordingly, when Simon Zelotes observed the Samaritan among the lepers, he sought to induce the Master to pass on into the city without even hesitating to exchange greetings with them. Said Jesus to Simon: "But what if the Samaritan loves God as well as the Jews? Should we sit in judgment on our fellow men? Who can tell? if we make these ten men whole, perhaps the Samaritan will prove more grateful even than the Jews. Do you feel certain about your opinions, Simon?" And Simon quickly replied, "If you cleanse them, you will soon find out." And Jesus replied: "So shall it be, Simon, and you will soon know the truth regarding the gratitude of men and the loving mercy of God."

Jesus, going near the lepers, said: "If you would be made whole, go forthwith and show yourselves to the priests as required by the law of Moses." And as they went, they were made whole. But when the Samaritan saw that he was being healed, he turned back and, going in quest of Jesus, began to glorify God with a loud voice. And when he had found the Master, he fell on his knees at his feet and gave thanks for his cleansing. The nine others, the Jews, had also discovered their healing, and while they also were grateful for their cleansing, they continued on their way to show themselves to the priests.

As the Samaritan remained kneeling at Jesus' feet, the Master, looking about at the twelve, especially at Simon Zelotes, said: "Were not ten cleansed? Where, then, are the other nine, the Jews? Only one, this alien, has returned to give glory to God." And then he said to the Samaritan, "Arise and go your way; your faith has made you whole."

Jesus looked again at his apostles as the stranger departed. And the apostles all looked at Jesus, save Simon Zelotes, whose eyes were downcast. The twelve said not a word. Neither did Jesus speak; it was not necessary that he should.

Though all ten of these men really believed they had leprosy, only four were thus afflicted. The other six were cured of a skin disease which had been mistaken for leprosy. But the Samaritan really had leprosy.

Jesus enjoined the twelve to say nothing about the cleansing of the lepers, and as they went on into Amathus, he remarked: "You see how it is that the children of the house, even when they are insubordinate to their Father's will, take their blessings for granted. They think it a small matter if they neglect to give thanks when the Father bestows healing upon them, but the strangers, when they receive gifts from the head of the house, are filled with wonder and are constrained to give thanks in recognition of the good things bestowed upon them." And still the apostles said nothing in reply to the Master's words."...

he explained to them that "Arise and go your way; your faith has made you whole."...

there are a handful of passages which can manifest easily, within the mind of a human being, errors in this brief story above...and in so doing lead one towards conflicted belief structures...

let me display them for you..."if we make these ten men whole, perhaps the Samaritan will prove more grateful even than the Jews."...

first take notice that this sentence was purposely began with a lower letter from the being who rendered it into the english language...there was a pupose to this indicator...the actual value of the sentence is unlikely to be found by a human mind who will find the false value long before they find the true value...

next comes another part which can be easily missed..."Jesus, going near the lepers, said: "If you would be made whole, go forthwith and show yourselves to the priests as required by the law of Moses." And as they went, they were made whole."...

there is a specific formula of healing manifestation which jesus implemented and then released trusting the paradise father...here is another example of the formula which he utilized in manifesting the healing works of the paradise father...

"The next morning the three went over to Martha's home at Bethany for breakfast and then went immediately into Jerusalem. This Sabbath morning, as Jesus and his two apostles drew near the temple, they encountered a well-known beggar, a man who had been born blind, sitting at his usual place. Although these mendicants did not solicit or receive alms on the Sabbath day, they were permitted thus to sit in their usual places. Jesus paused and looked upon the beggar. As he gazed upon this man who had been born blind, the idea came into his mind as to how he would once more bring his mission on earth to the notice of the Sanhedrin and the other Jewish leaders and religious teachers.

As the Master stood there before the blind man, engrossed in deep thought, Nathaniel, pondering the possible cause of this man's blindness, asked: "Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?"

The rabbis taught that all such cases of blindness from birth were caused by sin. Not only were children conceived and born in sin, but a child could be born blind as a punishment for some specific sin committed by its father. They even taught that a child itself might sin before it was born into the world. They also taught that such defects could be caused by some sin or other indulgence of the mother while carrying the child.

There was, throughout all these regions, a lingering belief in reincarnation. The older Jewish teachers, together with Plato, Philo, and many of the Essenes, tolerated the theory that men may reap in one incarnation what they have sown in a previous existence; thus in one life they were believed to be expiating the sins committed in preceding lives. The Master found it difficult to make men believe that their souls had not had previous existences.

However, inconsistent as it seems, while such blindness was supposed to be the result of sin, the Jews held that it was meritorious in a high degree to give alms to these blind beggars. It was the custom of these blind men constantly to chant to the passers-by, "O tenderhearted, gain merit by assisting the blind."

Jesus entered into the discussion of this case with Nathaniel and Thomas, not only because he had already decided to use this blind man as the means of that day bringing his mission once more prominently to the notice of the Jewish


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leaders, but also because he always encouraged his apostles to seek for the true causes of all phenomena, natural or spiritual. He had often warned them to avoid the common tendency to assign spiritual causes to commonplace physical events.

Jesus decided to use this beggar in his plans for that day's work, but before doing anything for the blind man, Josiah by name, he proceeded to answer Nathaniel's question. Said the Master: "Neither did this man sin nor his parents that the works of God might be manifest in him. This blindness has come upon him in the natural course of events, but we must now do the works of Him who sent me, while it is still day, for the night will certainly come when it will be impossible to do the work we are about to perform. When I am in the world, I am the light of the world, but in only a little while I will not be with you."

When Jesus had spoken, he said to Nathaniel and Thomas: "Let us create the sight of this blind man on this Sabbath day that the scribes and Pharisees may have the full occasion which they seek for accusing the Son of Man." Then, stooping over, he spat on the ground and mixed the clay with the spittle, and speaking of all this so that the blind man could hear, he went up to Josiah and put the clay over his sightless eyes, saying: "Go, my son, wash away this clay in the pool of Siloam, and immediately you shall receive your sight." And when Josiah had so washed in the pool of Siloam, he returned to his friends and family, seeing."...


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continued...

"By the time the camp at Bethsaida had been broken up, the fame of Jesus, particularly as a healer, had spread to all parts of Palestine and through all of Syria and the surrounding countries. For weeks after they left Bethsaida, the sick continued to arrive, and when they did not find the Master, on learning from David where he was, they would go in search of him. On this tour Jesus did not deliberately perform any so-called miracles of healing. Nevertheless, scores of afflicted found restoration of health and happiness as a result of the reconstructive power of the intense faith which impelled them to seek for healing.

There began to appear about the time of this mission--and continued throughout the remainder of Jesus' life on earth--a peculiar and unexplained series of healing phenomena. In the course of this three months' tour more than one hundred men, women, and children from Judea, Idumea, Galilee, Syria, Tyre, and Sidon, and from beyond the Jordan were beneficiaries of this unconscious healing by Jesus and, returning to their homes, added to the enlargement of Jesus' fame. And they did this notwithstanding that Jesus would, every time he observed one of these cases of spontaneous healing, directly charge the beneficiary to "tell no man."

It was never revealed to us just what occurred in these cases of spontaneous or unconscious healing. The Master never explained to his apostles how these healings were effected, other than that on several occasions he merely said, "I perceive that power has gone forth from me." On one occasion he remarked when touched by an ailing child, "I perceive that life has gone forth from me."

In the absence of direct word from the Master regarding the nature of these cases of spontaneous healing, it would be presuming on our part to undertake to explain how they were accomplished, but it will be permissible to record our opinion of all such healing phenomena. We believe that many of these apparent miracles of healing, as they occurred in the course of Jesus' earth ministry, were the result of the coexistence of the following three powerful, potent, and associated influences:

1. The presence of strong, dominant, and living faith in the heart of the human being who persistently sought healing, together with the fact that such healing was desired for its spiritual benefits rather than for purely physical restoration.

2. The existence, concomitant with such human faith, of the great sympathy and compassion of the incarnated and mercy-dominated Creator Son of God, who actually possessed in his person almost unlimited and timeless creative healing powers and prerogatives.

3. Along with the faith of the creature and the life of the Creator it should also be noted that this God-man was the personified expression of the Father's will. If, in the contact of the human need and the divine power to meet it, the Father did not will otherwise, the two became one, and the healing occurred unconsciously to the human Jesus but was immediately recognized by his divine nature. The explanation, then, of many of these cases of healing must be found in a great law which has long been known to us, namely, What the Creator Son desires and the eternal Father wills IS.

It is, then, our opinion that, in the personal presence of Jesus, certain forms of profound human faith were literally and truly compelling in the manifestation of healing by certain creative forces and personalities of the universe who were at that time so intimately associated with the Son of Man. It therefore becomes a fact of record that Jesus did frequently suffer men to heal themselves in his presence by their powerful, personal faith.

Many others sought healing for wholly selfish purposes. A rich widow of Tyre, with her retinue, came seeking to be healed of her infirmities, which were many; and as she followed Jesus about through Galilee, she continued to offer more and more money, as if the power of God were something to be purchased by the highest bidder. But never would she become interested in the gospel of the kingdom; it was only the cure of her physical ailments that she sought."...

you can find many diverse sets of instructions which attempt to get the reader to attempt to heal or attempt to do some miraculas event...and those who follow find less than favorable outcomes because of the errors within their instructions...men tend to contemplate from a platform of error...namely from the ideal that men are their bodies and men are the divine...

it is when the animal aligns with the divine and transforms...this brings the formulas of the equation into existance...the formulas have been displayed several times which reveal the truth concerning these types of displays...these formulas can come forth without the individual even knowing they are following any formulas...

"Spiritual greatness consists in an understanding love that is Godlike and not in an enjoyment of the exercise of material power for the exaltation of self."...

1. Your purpose must be pure...

2. Your motive must be divine...

3. Your ideal must be spiritual...

4. Your ambition must be altruistic...

5. Your procedures must be based on love...

6. Your goal of attainment must be the will of the Paradise Father...

7. You must have spiritual power to do spiritual work..."Spiritual greatness consists in an understanding love that is Godlike and not in an enjoyment of the exercise of material power for the exaltation of self."...

8. You cannot time-shorten the course of established natural phenomena except when such things are in accordance with the Father's will...

You can do neither of these (7 & 8), even when their potential is present, without the existence of that third and essential human factor, the personal experience of the possession of living faith...

so if this knowledge is not found in the acim then you might understand where it's errors lay...

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Finaliter your conclusionary deliberations of the understandings of ACIM are some what beyond the actual mark, of the actual simplicity of it. Because theology or theosophist points of view are never its main point, as life is experienced through ones own beliefs and then percieved from hence forth.
So through the re-orientation of beliefs and perception are its purpose, ie; from the egoic mindness of limitedness, fear, confusion, war, anger, hate, anxiety, worry, despair, pain, suffering.
To instead that of the one of Spirit or Spiritual virtual mindness which encompasses that of infinite, unlimited Love, happiness, peace, Joy, forgiveness, appreciation, patience, understanding, tolerance, Valor, humility.
As one cannot be a wise avatar or Teacher if they so be divided in their Mind states which is often refered to as the unhealed healer. Who's confusion only leads to the blind leading the Blind... of a cliff! One merely only has the conscious choice to choose which path they want to believe in and follow as it is incongruously and diametrically impossible to follow both Mind patterns simultaneously at once.
Hence the Tome of Jesus the Christ is both plain in simplicity of direct undestanding to all beings of form and expression of all moments of time and space of the need for Divine Love in beingness :)

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

the acim is very interesting yet amoungst its form of display is errors created by men in setting up a structure to utilize in attracting buyers to this wonderful set of truth and liberating information...

"the acim is a creation of men...if this is the case then it will be filled with truths and mixed in amoungst the truths will be errors...the trick then, as any religion or philosophy, is to garner the truth from amoungst the errors..."...

the above statement is still relevant and truthful concerning the acim...religions and philosophies can be very useful and liberating to those caught up in them...just as the acim can be useful in aligning towards the basic concepts of core values...as it states there are thousands of methods...

the indivdual can experience the same thing that Helen Schucman did...this inner dictation described by her can be experienced by all in their unique experiences along their path...we are connected to all that is...

her experiences were utilized for a project to assist humanity...yet clearly in its organization is the hand of men making errors atttempting to gain support or material value...yet the material is of great value...its source is well grounded in spiritual core concepts which can align the one properly in many aspects...

yet it holds the tones of christainity in a mistaken grasp of attempting to understand the material utilizing a materialistic aligned mind...hence topics were placed to attrack the materialistic mind to purchase a product...

so the material is sound to the degree in which it was edited or added to...

good stuff aye...<smile>...

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[quote]First Source is connected to individuals not organizations. Thus, the Hierarchy is unconnected to the Source in a vital and dynamic way. The Hierarchy is more connected to its own collective desire to help, to serve, to perform a function that allows the use of power in a positive way. In itself, this is not wrong or misguided. It is all part of the Primal Blueprint that orchestrates the unfoldment of consciousness from collective to individual and individual to collective. This is the spiral of integration that breeds wholeness and perfection within the Source Intelligence.

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Indigo is neither and additive primary color nor a subtractive primary color. It was named and defined by Isaac Newton when he divided up the optical spectrum(which is a contnuum of frequencies). He specifically named seven colors primary to match the seven notes of a western major scale.., because he believed sound and light where physically similar, but also to link colors with the (Known) planets,days of the week, and other lists of seven items. Human do tend to recognize indigo as a seperate hue category between blue and violet. For this reason, some commentators, inclueding Isaac Asimov, have suggested that indigo should not be regarde as a color in its own right but merely as a shade of blue or violet. Color scientists typically divide the spectrum at about 450nm between violet and blue, with no indigo. Others continue to accept it as it has been accepted traditionally as one of Newtons named colors of the spectrum along with red,orange,yellow,green,blue,and violet.


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Finaliter... I read the Urantia book ... hastily. And while I pride myself in having an open mind...I found that it conflicted with what I institutionally understood - that while we may follow a string event... our abilities to be co-creative allowed for the events to vary.

To me it was evident that Earth was not following the "path" the book lays out and that we had exceeded the expectations of all preceding templates. I would liken it to a driver's manual for all cars...up until the point where computers were added... It was filled with thing that did not apply to my "later model" and was limited to a "evolution/saviorship" model of existence. As James suggest it is a Universal TZ...and the WMMs are Planetary...more specific for Earth.

Many of the insights left me feeling helpless to change things.

The WMMs allows us to have a purpose that affects FS directly...moreso than IT working through us... It allows for creativity and the uniqueness of each individual...and planet. It also encourages us to "Be YOU" and to be grateful for who YOU are, because that is how you were created by FS...no change is necessary (some refinement and adjustments)...no devotion, money, worthiness or worship...just awareness of the "blueprint"

In the FS Transmission, IT reveals that:

"You are within me more than I am within you." and
" Without you I am unable to evolve."

no Faith is required...only KNOWing...
"I express to you that my world is the beacon of all personalities in all times, and [b]whether you believe in me or not[/b], you are unerringly drawn to the source from whence you were created.

and confirms what I believe are the most significant words Jesus spoke: " the TRUTH will set you FREE" from all manner of dependence or conformity.

IT assures us that we are guaranteed of success no matter how others judge us or how unique our perspective is...we all have an equally valuable part/perspective and we all contribute something of unique value to Wholeness...

"Your awakening, while slow and sometimes painful, is assured, and this you must trust above all else."

While Urantia insists that our evolutionary path is "pre-destined" WMs encourage us to "push the envelope" and to do something no one else has done...and reveals that this is how FS "evolves" ... we enhance IT.

nothing is "lost"... nothing is wasted...no one fails to understand...or has more or less value than another...not even the Jesus' or the James'
We are allowed to grow at our own pace...there is no urgency to "get it"...because we have the opportunity to reincarnate until we DO and even if we are not even interested in progress...we will "drift" through the GP with the tide of the species headed towards the Oceans where all are equally contributing their individual "drop" of water... and raising the level of consciousness of all mankind equally.





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It would be quite egoic to think that one should not read a book, just because it has been written by Humans.
As the whole analogues of every writing on this planet have been written through Humans as such and that Humans are all conduiting as channels of various information lodes. Though discernment comes when one understands what channell of information is being projected.ie; Egoic self aggrandisement of Separative, rejective thought forms or that of Spirit consciousness that looks to compell each to be in total freedom of all constraints of Laws and edicts to then be able to see past form to the actual spirit of love inside all Beings. IThis what your decision should be whatever book or communicative medium you wish to invest and divulge your energy upon whether transcribed and edited by any Beings with in all the Multi-Super-universes in the super-position of Time .

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Epsillion70... the WMMs are not "man made"they are not even "channeled...they are translated word for word from a disk that came from "outer space"... and may be the only materials (available on the www) that express the "mind of FS"... to man, which has finally evolved to a point where they can comprehend it...we do not have to guess at what they mean...they are plain and simple to understand once you understand the unique words that define concepts that have never been discussed before on the world stage.

[quote]The WingMakers' materials are designed in a different way from anything that has ever been manifested on earth. It is a collection of encoded sensory data streams destined for a consumer technology platform that is just beginning to be incubated within development labs. However, even when experienced without this technology platform, the individual is aware that there is a deep transformation occurring. Something is "reshuffling" their mental "deck". I would encourage anyone who is immersing his or her consciousness in these materials to go without comparison for a period of time as they absorb these materials. The Tributary Zones have more information encoded in them than the human mind can access and comprehend. If an individual is engaged in comparison, they may not be engaged in the deeper meaning of the Tributary Zone, at the level where the encoded information is revealed.

snips from Q -As, session two Q-24)
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This is directly from FS taken from the codex disc left on the planet.

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[b]I have formed these words [/b]with the help of my inmost creation, known to you, through these teachings, as the Central Race. Their record is placed upon your planet to catalyze – within those of your kind who are ready – an awakening of me as I truly am. This record will last for many generations, sometimes hidden from view, sometimes abstracted into symbols, sometimes collected into doubt, but always [b]it will be my voice revealed upon your planet. [/b]

While it is not the first time I have spoken to your planet’s people, [b]it is the first time I have spoken through my inmost creation and left an indelible, multi-dimensional record[/b]. On the surface of this record is a mythology of the Central Race, but if you find my voice within this mythology, you will see another facet to this record, of [b]a personal inflection, that speaks directly to you, my child[/b]. It is this intimacy that I have encoded into this record that is symbolic of my hand reaching for yours, and it is this intimacy that will persist within your mind and heart when all else fails you.

My voice will help you reconnect with me. It will enlarge your vision of my domain, purpose, and my unyielding love for each of my creation, no matter where or how you live. [b]When I have spoken before to your planet, it was through a prism of personalities that bent my voice and colored its tone.[/b] My mind’s voice will not travel to your world unless it is transmitted through my creation and translated into word-symbols your mind can grasp. My heart’s voice penetrates all worlds without translation as a sub-photonic light and inter-dimensional vibration that produces sound

more understanding here:
http://www.wingmakers.com/mycentralpurpose.html[/quote]



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[quote][i]Originally posted by starduster[/i]
Epsillion70... the WMMs are not "man made"they are not even "channeled...they are translated word for word from a disk that came from "outer space"... and may be the only materials (available on the www) that express the "mind of FS"... to man, which has finally evolved to a point where they can comprehend it...we do not have to guess at what they mean...they are plain and simple to understand once you understand the unique words that define concepts that have never been discussed before on the world stage.

[quote]The WingMakers' materials are designed in a different way from anything that has ever been manifested on earth. It is a collection of encoded sensory data streams destined for a consumer technology platform that is just beginning to be incubated within development labs. However, even when experienced without this technology platform, the individual is aware that there is a deep transformation occurring. Something is "reshuffling" their mental "deck". I would encourage anyone who is immersing his or her consciousness in these materials to go without comparison for a period of time as they absorb these materials. The Tributary Zones have more information encoded in them than the human mind can access and comprehend. If an individual is engaged in comparison, they may not be engaged in the deeper meaning of the Tributary Zone, at the level where the encoded information is revealed.

snips from Q -As, session two Q-24)
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This is directly from FS taken from the codex disc left on the planet.

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[b]I have formed these words [/b]with the help of my inmost creation, known to you, through these teachings, as the Central Race. Their record is placed upon your planet to catalyze – within those of your kind who are ready – an awakening of me as I truly am. This record will last for many generations, sometimes hidden from view, sometimes abstracted into symbols, sometimes collected into doubt, but always [b]it will be my voice revealed upon your planet. [/b]

While it is not the first time I have spoken to your planet’s people, [b]it is the first time I have spoken through my inmost creation and left an indelible, multi-dimensional record[/b]. On the surface of this record is a mythology of the Central Race, but if you find my voice within this mythology, you will see another facet to this record, of [b]a personal inflection, that speaks directly to you, my child[/b]. It is this intimacy that I have encoded into this record that is symbolic of my hand reaching for yours, and it is this intimacy that will persist within your mind and heart when all else fails you.

My voice will help you reconnect with me. It will enlarge your vision of my domain, purpose, and my unyielding love for each of my creation, no matter where or how you live. [b]When I have spoken before to your planet, it was through a prism of personalities that bent my voice and colored its tone.[/b] My mind’s voice will not travel to your world unless it is transmitted through my creation and translated into word-symbols your mind can grasp. My heart’s voice penetrates all worlds without translation as a sub-photonic light and inter-dimensional vibration that produces sound

more understanding here:
http://www.wingmakers.com/mycentralpurpose.html[/quote]



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Dear Starduster
I have read and re-read all of the WingMakers material many times. So quoting passages to me is like preaching to the choir.
I feel that you misread what I have said here Starduster, as I did not say WM or any of its material is Man Made at all. On the contrary everything that was created was from the seed of First Source. I was merely pointing out that for other Humans to understand things beyone the level of physicallity of form there has to be other Humans who are merely the Conduits or Channellers of incoming informational Understandings of every sort of Information Energy Conscious Lodes that one chooses to attenuate to, ie; Tuning in to a Radio station on a Radio reception Reciever as one can choose to listen to Classical music or Hard Rock. None is good or bad in themselves they are just are. It is what you are trying to achieve by consciously listening to either is what matters.
With my understanding I see that the Wingmakers material itself has been channelled by James who has focused on recieving understandings from the WingMakers and their perceptional understandings of knowledge from First Source via Spirit.
Because to convert the syntax form of language in thought from that of the language of Light does take patience in the understandings within its subtleties. As with all Translations I might add.
Please re-read my original post again and tell me what you think :)



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yes yes... but ACIM, the Bible, Urantia were all written by men...and no matter how they recieved it or who inspired it... It is colored by the personalities. I was just pointing out how the WMMs are unique...directly from the Creator to you.

The first law of Kabbalah is "don't believe anything you read"... because you will find a completely different perspective of the same topic on the shelf of the Library next to it. You can only KNOW what you experience.

there is no need to defend your perspective, I can respect you without agreeing with it...I was only enhancing it, with my personal wisdom... the forum is open to the public (choir) and many of the Lurkers have not read the materials... please don't take it personal

I am not promoting myself...or my unique perspectives...I am promoting the WMMs which encourages us to reject nothing and to depend on or blame, no one but our selves, for our self limited belief systems ;)

[quote]"As for why don't they just show up and give us the information -- this, I think, is their genius. They've created seven time capsules and placed them in various parts of the world. I believe this is all part of a master plan or strategy to engage our intellects and spirits in a way that has never been done before. To demonstrate how art -- culture, science, spirituality, how all of these things are connected. I believe they want us to discover this -- not to be told.[/quote]



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Hello, Starduster .
I still say as I did state before that James is a Man? And did Transcribe the WMM in to this language form. Please correct me if I am wrong and in fact James is a being beyond this plane. Still someone has made the WMM in to a final english language translation of which you and I have read here? See my point. I hope it does not seem like semantics to you. Because it isn't if you look at it all closely.
Its a bit like saying a Chicken made my omelete. Yes the chicken actually laid the eggs, yeah but someone had to fetch the eggs and then do the process of cooking it all up etc.
The fact that you are elevating the WMM above anything else is actually limiting your own perceptual field of experience of Books or other communicative mediums that may indeed have been or will be actually written by First Source itself in times past or to come. ie; the Book of Lhazic which was still transcribed and translated in a cunative Syntax language form but was actually handed to the original inhabitants of the planet Mars before they died enmasses underground.

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To me...there is a huge difference between, writing a book, and translating one that has already been written...

as far as limiting myself... I may have read over two thousand non-fiction books on "spirituality" before I came to the WMs website...there fore I could appreciate how all the information was assembled... I had thousands of pieces to the puzzle, but I didn't have the framework...and I was not given the big picture until the WMs laid out the blueprint.

What I did know...and had experienced first hand, is that what "religions" and New Agers were teaching did not "work" for everyone...in fact for very few...and the ones who were not getting results were accused of not being sincere or committed enough...which is poppycock...when you turn on a switch, the connection is made or the switch is faulty.

Throughout the materials we are told how to turn on the switch...but we are also told that it is not something that has immediate results...when you "trigger" the transformation, it takes months on a molecular level to even get the message to the individual DNA... then they start forming new patterns... they need to "build" a new program for all the cells in the thalamus...and they need to be "fed" while they are building...once the physical part is established...then the SE can activate Source Codes... so that the intelligence systems of Individuated Consciousness which span both worlds can work together and not independently as previously.

A person would not be aware of any of this taking place if they do not recognize what each of these systems do... I had read the Anatomy of the Individuated Consciousness long before I experienced it..and recognized its influence...I had read about the Sovereign Integral's consciousness long before I experienced it ... I "believed" I knew what to expect but I did not KNOW until I experienced it in my daily life...

We are familiar with the influence of the Wholeness Navigator through out our lives (even if we do not know its name)... as well as the Remnant Imprint...and the Soul and Human Instrument...but there is another "level" of consciousness when can identify their persona and they are all working together... this can only be KNOWN through the actual experience. You may be able to convey the taste of chocolate to another person, by making comparisons to things that are not chocolate... but this person will never KNOW or recognize the taste until it is experienced...

basically what I am saying is all the knowledge I had up until the actual experience only led me to know what it wasn't or how it was different...but not what it IS. What we had before the WMMs was a bunch of puzzle pieces...that many had tried to assemble...and some had even come up with a partial picture based upon personal "conversations with god"... but it was not whole... we could not know how "distorted" it was, until we got the "blueprint" ... only if you have labored with the puzzle can you really appreciate the end results... you must keep in mind... the (god) fragments are all identical...and fit to form what ever picture you want to create...you just have to leave some pieces out...or deal with some empty spaces if you have no real concept of the intended results of the puzzle creator's vision of wholeness.

just for the sake of the discussion and no reflection on your ability to understand... take music... for an example...A person may turn on the radio to listen to music...and believe they are experiencing it, they can recognize the separate instruments that make up the music...When they find someone who has a better receiver, they might be able to hear and feel some of the sounds more intensely. I am sure you have experienced the difference between speakers and ear buds...between emerson and boze ....but until they actually go to a live performance... they are not "impacted" by the sounds of the individual instruments working together... they have not "felt" what the composer intended them to experience, until they go to a live performance... even if they turn up the sound on the best reciever-transmitter available.

and then the astonishing part is that not all people experience the same sensations...or appreciate the same experience in the same manner. When we take into consideration that the same instruments can play a wide variety of music we begin to appreciate the instruments...the composer...and the results a great deal more. The WMs have composed a tune that we can all experience LIVE...and that because of their intimate knowledge of us ... individually and collectively...they KNOW this music will resonate in every cell of our body...and impact us deeply... but we still have the option to leave the room or stay.

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Thanks for posting this Starduster. I think that even though you did not realize it, you have been practicing and experiencing the sovereign integral perspective longer than the Wm web site has been up. Just look at what it took for you to stand up to the IRS. You had to express yourself as sovereign to do that, and to make the choice to stay out of their realm of influence even though it did cause you to change the way you live. You understand what the wm materials are describing because you have experience with that, it is the language that is new. I agree that the experience is what gets us the understanding. And sometimes we will read something that seems like hogwash and 2 years later something will click and it will be perfectly clear and resonant.

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and thank you, Resonance... for this opportunity to express humility ;)

PS the gift is returned, when you understand that what you recognize in other, is what you experienced/know about yourself

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To me it was evident that Earth was not following the "path" the book lays out and that we had exceeded the expectations of all preceding templates. I would liken it to a driver's manual for all cars...up until the point where computers were added... It was filled with thing that did not apply to my "later model" and was limited to a "evolution/saviorship" model of existence. As James suggest it is a Universal TZ...and the WMMs are Planetary...more specific for Earth.

Many of the insights left me feeling helpless to change things


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Starduster . the earth is not in a typical evoloutionary worlds progression , this fact is stated numerous times in the book . Earth has been isolated in essentially a vacum of compressed time so to speak . It is like we are in limbo or the twilight zone . We are awaiting the sorting through of the Lucifer rebellion (experiment) . The Urantia book is very specific for Earth to say the least . After all Urantia = Earth = Urantia . AL the way from this tiny planets inception to the present era the book gives a detailed description .How could you possibly know where you are going if you do not understand how you got to where you are now ? Some of you people on this forum have gone overboard with what you perceive as the Sovereign integral consciousness . You snub your noses at the thought of our loving father caring enough to guide us from error & suffering . Have you ever thought that there are new souls on this planet ? We are all not Sovereign integrals with thousands of life spans . Many on this planet are new babies & our loving creator son is here for them , so if you are beyond his love I truely am sorry for you .:(

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Dont get confused with the wording,and the language. Evolution/Saviorship has nothing to do with Christianity. Christians dont believe in evolution,and savior is just one personage-Gods Son-Jesus Christ. Religion has Bodies of Consciousness,where as the Believer is part of that paticular Body of Consciousness-such as in a Collective of Consciousness. It is where the focus is,in what truth you value as Gospel Truth for yourself. Individuality and freewill are suppose to be part of the Lucifer Rebelion, I dont think I can agree with a Creator that would use its flock as Experiments. Christianity is not the only religion that Humanized their Godhead. People have alot of different Names for her-Like a ship,I sometime call this planet Sorrow. Christianity doesnt believe in Reincarnation,even when they are confronted with the followers of christ asking if John the Baptist was Elijah. Although some ask about past lives,it is not part of the doctination or scripture indoctrination. Christians are Once Borns.........So You are Correct in saying that not all have a thousand life spans,but you are also Wrong-because you have Genetic Memory........like all creature on this planet have some form of this memory that live in our creation of creations that have taken place on terra earth-or what ever you want to call this planet-Home World. The UB is not totally accurate,and I personally Know that. The Book was written during a time of racial unrest,and they hadnt even started Bussing. People had just gone thruogh several World Wars, 1 and 2. also the grat depression...........And all that termoil was still fresh and the Minds of all who had gone through the Wars,and the great depression. The world was shaken to the core,atomic Bombs,and than what took place with the dropping of those Bombs on Japan,the world was sick,scared,and it had just open up a New Can of worms. Not all americans were at the concensus of the many when it came to dropping those bombs on Japan. Residue of Guilt,remorse,and even prayers to the great Iam for forgiveness. Thats all for now,ending transmission...........


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[quote][i]Originally posted by zoarastera[/i]
Christianity doesnt believe in Reincarnation,even when they are confronted with the followers of christ asking if John the Baptist was Elijah. Although some ask about past lives,it is not part of the doctination or scripture indoctrination. Christians are Once Borns.........So You are Correct in saying that not all have a thousand life spans,but you are also Wrong-because you have Genetic Memory........[/quote]

I digress on the overall toopic here, Because radically interesting enough is the actual whole question about Reincarnation you raise Zoarastera. Though might seem a tad theological, anyway here goes;
Reincarnation was actually an integral part of Christian beliefs before 300 AD.
That was until the council of Nicea in 325 AD when along with sending the understandings of Reincarnation, a whole heap of other Bible Volumes got literally booted out and destroyed except some that we know as the Nag Hammadi Texts.
Here is an extract from another site that I thought was also interesting;
[color=Red]Christian Reincarnation
The Lincoln and Kennedy Connection
According to reincarnation beliefs, history tends to repeat itself until those who have participated in it learn their lessons and change for the better. This means that an individual may face identical situations from one life to the next until they are able to conquer whatever "cause and effect" chain-reaction they have caused from a previous life. As an example, a person who "lives by the sword" in one life and dies without having made amends for his mistakes, will in the next life be faced with identical situations which must be overcome. Ultimately, such a person will have to face themselves and have inflicted upon them everything they have inflicted upon others. Divine justice in many religions shows that those who "live by the sword" will "die by the sword", if not in their present life, but likely in a future life. Reincarnation theory states that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The lives of President Kennedy and President Lincoln had so many parallels that it cannot be dismissed as pure coincidence. To my mind, these parallels are evidence of history repeating itself and evidence of reincarnation. To me, these parallels may be circumstantial evidence that President Kennedy was the reincarnation of President Lincoln. You decide for yourself.

Both were elected to Congress in ‘46. Both were elected President in ‘60. Both had the legality of their elections contested. Both were directly involved with black civil rights. Both lost a son while serving as President. Both were killed while serving as President.

Lincoln's staffer, whose name was Kennedy, advised him not to go to the theater. Kennedy's secretary, whose name was Lincoln, advised him not to go to Dallas. Lincoln was fond of Monroe, Maryland (He had visited it a week before he was shot). Kennedy was fond of Marilyn Monroe.

Both were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head from behind. Both were shot in the presence of their wives. Both were shot while sitting with another couple.

Both were shot with another member of their entourage being injured, but not fatally. Lincoln was shot in Ford's Theater. Kennedy was shot in a Ford Lincoln.

Both assassins were born in ‘39. Both were Southerners favoring extremist views. Both are known by their first, middle and last names. Booth ran from the theater and was captured in a warehouse. Oswald ran from the warehouse and was captured in a theater. Both were themselves assassinated before their trials.

Both President’s successors were Southern Democrats. Both successors had the last name of Johnson. Both successors were Vice-Presidents. Both successors were born in ‘08. Both successors were former senators.

Both President’s caskets were carried in death on the same caisson.

It appears that history does indeed repeat itself. Perhaps it is the same cast of characters playing the same roles over and over again. I think William Shakespeare was right all along: All the world is a stage and we are but the players.
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See links for more info;
http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen6.html
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm
http://www.viewzone.com/Jjesus.html





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Epsillion, If this is how it works,than a person who was mental,physically or sexually abused as a small child would have to repeat the same abuse in the next life. And if this is the cause of personality disorders,an other kinds of mental disorders,we are not necessarly born with a predispossion for becoming a tyrant,we are created,and not by our own choise,but by those who we are dearest too. What a creul God,smiteful,and even hateful......


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Epsillion, The sword is Words-speach, and one who live by their words,dies by their words.......this is what happen to John the Baptist- He died by his Words........


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[quote][i]Originally posted by zoarastera[/i]
Epsillion, If this is how it works,than a person who was mental,physically or sexually abused as a small child would have to repeat the same abuse in the next life. And if this is the cause of personality disorders,an other kinds of mental disorders,we are not necessarly born with a predispossion for becoming a tyrant,we are created,and not by our own choise,but by those who we are dearest too. What a creul God,smiteful,and even hateful...... [/quote]

God did not create any of this. In fact you and I did when we first had the imaginative idea from our powerful(God given) mind that started at the zenith of all time of the projection of the Big bang itself..... that one could possibly be a separate thought from God himself.
To your question of Karmic disposition.
If one is an abuser in this lifetime then they will recompense to be an abused one in the next in a circular fashion.
That is until however, one learns to forgive the shadow-self that supplicate to the consciousness of choice the actual projected error of imaginative ideas of illusionary projections such as pain, suffering, fear, hate, anger, war, conflict, spite, jealousy, pride(self-aggrandizement), loathing and abuse. Because in fact to emphasize that these are anything but imaginative ideas of any sort of content is to, analogously speaking.
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[quote][i]Originally posted by zoarastera[/i]
Epsillion, The sword is Words-speach, and one who live by their words,dies by their words.......this is what happen to John the Baptist- He died by his Words........ [/quote]

With my Thought- Word- Deed. I am in-deed always happy to die in every moment of Time and space.
Because scientifically speaking in quantum terms there are trillions of multiverses interacting with one another within your own perceptual sub-conscious views of the state of superposition. So I probably have already died in countless and numerous types of situations in the moment it took to type this .(fullstop) Though the one current multiverse I interface with now. Says that I stay alive still ;) :)

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