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 Post subject: Understanding: no use to think
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:18 pm 
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It is very important to think well about certain things, but when it comes to understanding itself this is a deeper sense of life. Understanding is not merely putting yourself in the place of the other, but rather feel the other. Look and feel directly what they send to you. Don't think you know what they send. Don't listen to what they say or how they say it in order to understand them. You have to look with your heart. And don't think you understand another because you understand a little how you two relate. This is just the beginning of understanding, share understanding. Just closing a gap.

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Thought/time is all that divides us. The only thread that is connected to SR is unconditional love perceived through the heart's intelligence. Valor is not speaking truth to power....it's not transmitted through a fear induced adrenalined state of imagined invincibility....We aren't facing down 'the enemy'. We're quietly dismantling the barriers to love. No enemy, no evil to defend self against. Valor supports love...not self esteem. Valor forgives ignorance.


"....one can experiment with the six virtues and learn how to deepen their understanding—not at an intellectual level, but rather a practical application level. In other words, how does one apply the virtues of humility, understanding, and forgiveness to the person who just cut you out of a parking place at the mall?

It is at this level—the practical level where we all live—that we must practice the artistry of the six virtues lest we lose our ability to self-empower. It is in this self-empowerment that we rise as spiritual beings to the challenges of the physical world. This form of empowerment is different than speaking truth to power, or imbuing your self esteem with the elixir of invincibility. It is the empowerment of problem solving the emotionally rooted turmoil of daily life with the incandescence of the heart’s intelligence and knowing how and when to tap into this intelligence."(Living from the Heart)

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Using the virtues is a heart-mind process. You use your intuition and imagination in this process.

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Understanding is the aspect of heart intelligence that recognizes [that] this dissociation from love is a necessary design component of the larger blueprint that is occurring on the planet. (See A Universal Blueprint.) When-Which-How Guide

Understanding: The world of form, just as the formless worlds, is composed of energetic structures beneath its denser expression. In a real sense, everything in the multiverse is energy with incalculably long, energy-based lifespans. Energy is transformational; that is, it can alter or shift into other states of being or, in the case of humans, consciousness. The human energetic structure is often described as the chakra system or electromagnetic body, but it is more than these components. The energetic structure is a form of light, which in turn is a texture of divine love.

Energetically, our “skeleton” is composed of love at our core structure, and it is this love frequency that is the basis of our immortal consciousness or soul. All of the lower densities are shadows of this light and operate in timespace, which provide a sheath of density and separation from this core love frequency. The worlds of timespace alter or dilute this connection we feel to the core energetic structure of which we are all composed, and this diminishes our sense of connection not only to our divinity, but to God and all life.
Herein is the paradox of being human: our innermost structure is divine love and our outermost structure is a means of experience for the innermost structure, but we have become entrained by the outer vehicle to the degree where we identify with it more than the occupant—our true self—inside.

All of us feel this dissociation with our true self and over-identification with our physical body and mind (human instrument); perhaps only in degree is there any difference among us. Understanding is the aspect of heart intelligence that recognizes this dissociation from love is a necessary design component of the larger blueprint that is occurring on the planet. In other words, it is not that humanity has fallen from grace or is tilted irrevocably toward sin. Rather, we have simply accepted the picture of reality that is dominant, and its dominance is not by accident but part of a larger design.

There is a well-known phrase within Lyricus that roughly translated says: “The elegance of time is that it unravels the structures of space that have sealed love from itself.” The structures of space, in this case, refer to the human instrument. Only time can break down the rigid barriers or subtle membranes that prevent or diminish the love frequency from exerting its wisdom in the behaviors of the individual.
If time is the variable of importance, it stands to reason that everyone is on his or her way to this realization; it is simply a matter of time before they achieve it. Thus, time is the differential that separates us. In a sense, we are all time shifted from one another. No one operates in exactly the same time relative to unsealing his or her love frequency from the world of form. Living from the Heart pp 44-45


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Yes, we can use the mind that is aligned in wholeness with the EH. The lower mind, the ego-mind follows its own misguided agenda of seeking equality.....This is why we give attention to dissolving personalities and projections, so we can more clearly access the heart's intelligence and transmit that. The world is of use, i am not disputing its value. It's an instrument.....and wisdom is the pearl of great price that is revealed in it.....Without the experience of separation we would not understand....once we do, our attention is focused in the transmission of the HV's or, the reception and dissemination of FSI. When our wholeness is remembered, we have no more interest in pursuing it in the world..... We nurture the truth of what is, our equality and oneness with all life.

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Thank you Darlene, for clearing that up ... once again Nat reveals that he has no idea what he is talking about ... or maybe he has found a way to disengage his mind from what he says... which would explain most of his posts, if that were possible.... but it isn't ... if his fingers are pushing letters on the keyboard, so we know his mind IS engaged ... because there is no other way we can express ourselves except via the HI, which is (unless it has been reprogramed) subject to the HMS ... as we have discussed in detail previously, the Heart and Mind are an integrated system ... so when we believe that we can use "either/or" we are just deceiving ourselves ... and we know (now) that until we clear out (neutralize) our Heart, the messages it sends to the mind are distorted (by centuries of enculturation) too.

we understand that it takes time, to transform our consciousness ... but that in order for the process to start we have to choose to initiate it - of our own free will ... the sooner one starts this process that will enhance their personal state of consciousness, the sooner they will UNDERSTAND these materials :wink:

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When at work yesterday I was listening to James and Mark 'at the table' and thought how complex labels are in a complex universe.
I understand that when naming 'things' even to do with the HI there is the 'need' for complexity due to the complexity of nature, in this case the HI.
James does share in those interviews the heart mind connection in a simply manner which requires no further 'interpretation' especially one of complexity - or mystery...
...While listening with my heart and mind I suddenly had the realisation that I AM THE HEART. that makes the whole thing so much simplier without distorting the essense of the communion.

It is like the 'different' chakras which denote 'areas' - which when working together are ONE thing.

The emphasis on 'mind' or 'heart' is really for the purpose of having to come from this perspective due to the duality principle and thus those who are 'awake' to their innate nature will understand that it is not for the purpose of arguing differentials rather than aligning that which is wholesome.

From the Wholeness perceptive I understand that I am NOT where I am - where I am is not who I am - and no thing is a prison...it is rather an opportunity to open it up and let it out and about.

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We are always thinking, reasoning, seeking. Running the program of the human mind system that we are in. And this is building. This is building momentum. It is a sensual level of existence. It is interesting that in my language, which is Dutch, addiction means enslavement. We are all addicted to our sex, drugs, music, foods, entertainment, intellectual conversation, and all subtle forms of exchange or building momentum. One original form of physical enlightenment is when the cells transform to a state where this has become impossible. And that is the only reason why the clurgy should have no sex, why this tradition exists in the first place; only later they cloaked it with morals. But the "man of God" can have no sex. There is no building momentum in the way that they operate, fundamentally. Their equality makes everything equally special and perfect, there is no way to go or state to reach. And when one is there, even the reasoning will have a different quality about it, and this quality is that it is not consciously reasoned. The mind simply doesn't know and from this acknowledgement your listening is different. Your decisions are different. The answers come from the listening not from the reasoning. The way you behave comes from the seeing not the positioning. The heart knows because the heart sees, perceives in its own way, and it cannot be simulated or copied because the decisions are different. Unique.

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Thanks for sharing your perspective Watcher ... I also have come to that conclusion ... that the Heart is the seat of intelligence, and the mind is just a device ( :wink: ) that we need to transfer the Heart's intelligence through the HI into MEST . All the "left brain" right brain, "reptilian brain" stuff is just being aware of which components of the brain are active ... fact is that they are all working when the mind is engaged ...which it is when we are "awake" - with few exceptions

what we also come to understand, is that until we integrate the components of the Entity (SECU) the mind has no way other than to use the HMS to operate ... when the other components are fully (and equally) integrated into the HI ... we can discover how to reprogram the HMS and how to redirect the SI's "life force" to avoid powering up the HMS ... even after we reprogram it ... we also have the option of using the Higher Mind, when the cell cluster that receives this frequency is formed in the brain ... for a more accurate evaluation of data to be passed on to the mind

Once this filter is activated, and the Hearts "history" cleared, and the emotional ties, clipped, then the intelligence of the Heart is no longer distorted and will pass instantaineously to the HI without the need for the mind to research it, because the Higher Mind has already authenticated and validated the data ... and in this way there is no need for the mind to "think about it" ...

One can use the WMms to activate the creation of the "device" needed to access the Higher Mind (GM) ... but it is the individual's personal responsibility to reprogram the HMS and to clear out (neutralize) the path that intelligence takes on its way to reveal itself in MEST. Unfortunately changing one's BS doesn't do that ... because it doesn't matter what one believes or chooses to believe ... about their Heart or their Mind ... as long as we communicate through the HI ... and are limited to its perspective, nothing will change - our consciousness will still be fragmented until we transform it.

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We are always thinking, reasoning, seeking. Running the program of the human mind system that we are in. And this is building. This is building momentum. It is a sensual level of existence. It is interesting that in my language, which is Dutch, addiction means enslavement. We are all addicted to our sex, drugs, music, foods, entertainment, intellectual conversation, and all subtle forms of exchange or building momentum. One original form of physical enlightenment is when the cells transform to a state where this has become impossible. And that is the only reason why the clurgy should have no sex, why this tradition exists in the first place; only later they cloaked it with morals. But the "man of God" can have no sex. There is no building momentum in the way that they operate, fundamentally. Their equality makes everything equally special and perfect, there is no way to go or state to reach. And when one is there, even the reasoning will have a different quality about it, and this quality is that it is not consciously reasoned. The mind simply doesn't know and from this acknowledgement your listening is different. Your decisions are different. The answers come from the listening not from the reasoning. The way you behave comes from the seeing not the positioning. The heart knows because the heart sees, perceives in its own way, and it cannot be simulated or copied because the decisions are different. Unique.


speak for yourself Nat, you are unique so your perspectives are unique, but what you are revealing is not unique - nor is it aligned with the new intelligence that the LTO is sharing ... which is that there isn't a GOD - which means that there aren't any "men of god" ... there are only two choices, either to go along with the HMS programs Anu designed to suppress the Sovereign Integral's identiy from himself ... or to transform one's personal state of consciousness.

The HI (that we are using) was designed to work with the HMS ... the SI actually powers it (according to what James revealed in the PCI) ... which is not to say that we don't have the ability to re-program it ... we do - and we can either replace corrupted programs or do away with them completely ... by redirecting the SI's life force to activate Entity Consciousness ... which I believe will over write Anu's programs and restore the HMS to its original purpose, and allow the Entity to access FSI ... during the transformation process

Information concerning reprograming the HMS or clearing out the things that distort the Heart's Intelligence is found predominately in the 6th Lyricus Discourse ... but the way to stimulate the formation of the "device" needed to transfer data to and from the Higher Mind (GM) is found in the Wm's "tools" ... and these techniques can be found in the Fourth Philo.

There is no doubt, whatsoever, in my mind, that without transforming the Entity's state of consciousness that anyone will experience "wholeness" or the ability to access their Individuated consciousness ... but that doesn't stop some people from pretending that their consciousness is not fragmented ... but of course their state of consciousness is evident - and they are only decieving themselves if they believe they are whole, without consciously transforming their state of consciousness

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......speak for yourself Nat, you are unique so your perspectives are unique, but what you are revealing is not unique - nor is it aligned with the new intelligence that the LTO is sharing ... which is that there isn't a GOD......

God is a dimensional construct that people who congregate in "churches" and cathedrals pray to.

In private, many people believe and speak with the very same construct; a being that is outside of themselves.

This misses the point as much as saying that "there isn't a God".

We are all Gods, in our own multiverse.

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30:50 Mark: But you know James, not everyone is at the same level… I mean some
people seem like they discount the soul, or Quantum Presence, as you were putting it,
thinking that the mind is the highest authority. So why is this? Why didn’t God make it so
we would all be able to connect to this Presence with ease?
31:10 James: First of all, the multiverse is in perfection and every sphere of the human
self is part of this perfection despite how it may appear in the human domain. If you
could walk up to anyone and peer into the sphere of their local multiverse—at the
quantum level—you would see its perfection because time is not part of the quantum
dimension and it is only time that separates the perfection of the multiverse from the
human self.

Interview Session with James April 5, 2008 Part 3

To me, all your struggles to know your Quantum Presence, to understand
your purpose, to feel an unshakable connection to your Creator, these are all in the past.

Do you understand?

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To me, all your struggles to know your Quantum Presence, to understand
your purpose, to feel an unshakable connection to your Creator, these are all in the past.

Do you understand?


On a number of levels, yes I do.

To understand - one can observe from a perspective of non-involvement (other than observing) and from this garner the understanding based upon this view point.
Another perspective is from within the construct which is being observed. This perspective is fogged because of the situation and to some extent requires the outside observers gentle nudges if one has understood enough to realize that there is an observer gently nudging.

In relation to what is being expressed here so far in this thread through individuals at differing stages of personal development we have more in common than we might consciously observe.

Indeed, this is true of all the 'threads' in the forum (shared 'local universe') and the 'listening' aspect is a good tool for linking these threads (weaving) into a coherent 'picture' which more readily... (again as a tool/device) :wink: (4SD) ...which more readily allows us to view the multiverse we all 'are' (co creators) 'of' and 'see' the alignment which our 'higher self' is situated.

From that 'higher' perspective we can all (as a specie) be regarded truly as prisoners of a system to which we build for ourselves, of our own choice, and indeed, in this there is a certain 'lack' for which the higher self understands can be 'righted' in order that we occupy the same 'space' but no longer as prisoners to our own creation, but as observers to those many walls, and doorway architects, map makers, dismantlement re directors story-tellers with real stories to tell, - we awaken not into being the higher self free from the prison, but as total human beings [activated native] incarnate in the HI and connected to a definite mission - not one that will go on and on and on looping into hopeless failure and indifferent compassion...

...The following ties in with this expression:


12:43
Mark: I know what you mean because I get letters from people who acquaint me with some of the more esoteric writings out there, like the Urantia Book, or Keys of Enoch, some of the Alice Bailey stuff and these are a couple examples that come to mind. And they have some really great insights in them, but they also leave me feeling a bit uncertain what to do next, you know, I mean with the knowledge itself.
What do you see as the key thing a seeker new to these materials can do to gain a sense of conviction, I guess I’ll call it that, that they are on the right path?


James: Yes, well, the word “religion” is derived from the word, the Latin words, “re link.” So to re-link into the higher Self is the esoteric meaning of the term religion. So, the seeker is attempting to re-link into their higher Self which has been put in the shade of their ego-personality whose voice is sporadically heard and even less so acted upon. Thus, the seeker of truth must demand or feel a sense of reconnection with their higher Self, the animating Spirit that flows within it and then act upon it.

It’s not enough to hear the beautiful thoughts of one’s higher Self or feel the power of its feelings, or the creative urges of its mind.


The human instrument must come into alignment and reposition the ego-personality to its rightful place, adjusted in the knowledge of its role as a facilitator of Spirit within the human domain. When the seeker sees these adjustments, and feels the re-linking into their higher Self, they will have a sense of conviction that they are on the right path.

Remember, I said earlier, that it’s a psychological process. It’s the feeling of re-linking to ones own Divinity. It’s the sense of empowered co-creativity with one’s higher Self and its unalterable connection to the fields of Spirit that make possible its eternal connection to individuality and oneness.
    Interview with James,
April 5, 2008, Part 2


The 'ego personality in its 'right place' - this is from the observer to the observed. Higher self to ego personality. [Do you read me? Over.]

Essentially the information from Camelot regarding HMS (which I bemused my 'self' with this morning at work thinking about this thread - by thinking HMS = 'Heart Mind' System) but regarding this system and the expose James elaborates, it is like I understand the First Source Transmissions - broadcast to that ego personality still in the process of becoming human, being awake and supportive in directing its particular attributes into the Wholeness shift towards the Grand Portal...and all the 'complexity' that this entails, both as individuals and as part of the family.

James has this to say regarding that 'position' we all share:




16:28
Mark: Is the mission different for everyone or it is pretty much the same?


James: It’s really both.

Every individual seeker as they awaken to their inmost Spirit and feel the currents of a love-centered life is pulled into very specific situations in which their energetics can be utilized by Spirit in the Grand Awakening of humanity.

This does not mean that every moment is a contribution to this mission, but overall as you look at the mosaic of a life, let’s say a course of a month’s time, a contribution is proffered and awakening is brought a little closer, made a tiny bit more tangible and magnetic to all those who remain asleep.

At the collective scale, there are different phases of awakening and there are those who are just awakening who are seeking their purpose in trying to integrate the two worlds into a sensible composition.

There are those who are in deep slumber in their ego-personalities and cultural confinements and there are those who are partially awakened, but are manipulated by outside influences to remain with the sleeping masses. And there are those who are awakened and know with deep conviction in the commitment of Divine Love, that their primary mission is to activate and rekindle all those in the aforementioned categories so they can all join the Grand Awakening.

17:59.
Now, and this is important: The mission is not one of a “join the enlightened crowd and be happy,” nor is it “you poor people who live in ignorance, for the glory of God I will help you awaken.” This is not about preaching the good news to the sinners of the world. Those who slumber are not sinners. They are not bad people nor are they lower in standing than you or me.
    Interview with James,
April 5, 2008, Part 2
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There is no one who occupies an HI who is not in this prison, and to think you are somehow exempt from this is not truthful.
This is why the information was spoken to the ego personality - why it was expressed in the words used.
Now to those who are in their stages of awakening - these are still within the prison, but unlike the ego personality (so distracted) the awakening (that's a neutral :| expression rather than 'awakened') :wink: - the awakening find themselves within a prison and being empowered to their mission to create something more aligned with their awakening purpose.

Which links (weaves - why I choose to link threads) to this:
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and to this:

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=2113

Which is applicable to the combined individual mission(s)...

I would rather we share our real life 'prison stories' btw seed than 'read the novel' and discuss the prison stories of fictional characters in a fictional world but if through the novel is the only device which will lead some to this understanding - then I understand.
What I have no interest in is mystery personalities who by hiding their light (stories) whilst contributing somewhat veiled criticism (giving the impression of aloofness) toward those who do shine something of their higher selves through the realigned ego personality - what I have no interest in is pretending that these ones are truly free from the prison themselves, no matter that there are 'hints' and 'suggestions' within their own expressions which might seek to give that impression.

Which is somewhat why I am in gratitude for the actual opportunity to 'sit at the table' with James and Mark through the device of the 'Interview with James' because James is 'shining his light' and is part of the prison system in operation, has his own personal 'cell' somewhere in New York [prison] City/State and utilizes his connection with higher self within this 'time' to write stories, share art and music and other useful devises which are designed to assist in this awakening process, and to even give a little 'show and tell' about his own upbringing...his prison story...

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"The Sovereign Integral consciousness can be envisioned as the connective “glue” that unifies each of us into wholeness. The Spiritual Center is the portal through which the Sovereign Integral consciousness can enter the human instrument and convey the feeling of Oneness at such a heightened level that the individual is forever held in its embrace. The human instrument, at its purest vibratory level, consists of the higher mind and energetic heart operating in coherent interchange. This communication is best described as an “intelligence of attunement.”

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Come on now seed - are you really human? Are your stories not too be shared with the rest of the family?
You are in human form and have a mission - your mission is not to discourage others from their own, but to enhance the experience. We ARE allowed to be human. How is life for you in your cell prison district?
Why don't you come out from behind the curtain of quotations and allow - why judge this as being of 'ego personality' or 'self importance' or 'lower vibration' or 'sensual' as a means of retaining the wall which has kept your place 'safe' from the rest of your family?


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This misses the point as much as saying that "there isn't a God".

We are all Gods, in our own multiverse.


the fact is, Russell, there isn't a god ... there is an individual who claims he is god, who punishes anyone who doesn't believe him ... but he needs humans to carry out his orders ... to support his institutions, and to provide for his "elite" ... which to any discerning individual proves that he is not a god ... sigh

If the eagle believes it is an ant (as paraphrased from the LD) it will act like an ant and never fly ... you say "we are all Gods, but no one seems to know how to act like gods, or even Sovereigns ... I believe that we have the potential to be gods ... but so far no one has manifested that potential ... NO ONE - but there are plenty who believe they are gods, and claim as much, that people bow down and worship or support -even though they are still acting like ants (snicker) ... working for the Queen so fat she can not even feed herself ...

show me, RUssell ... your god like abilities ... do some magic tricks ... :lol:

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Likely the mis-understanding here has to do with the different understandings as to 'what god is' dependent on where one derives the info from.
Also being attentive is helpful.
Russell often refers to First Source and I think this is what he is referring to in relation to his comment on 'God' and how we are all 'God'.
starduster is more incline to be referring to 'Anu' who was 'God' at one time, playing the part of, re humanity.

That 'God' as 'Anu' indeed, does not exist.

As to 'magic tricks' you jester SD! you already know that these are not a sign at all that points to there thus being a 'God'.

So even if Russell DID 'show you some magic tricks' you would just argue that this does not prove anything.

However, where again do you live? Perhaps we can together send a particular storm your way - nothing too frightening or involving many deaths...then would you might agree that we are 'God'?

hmmmm? :lol:

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yes, that is the "stuff of Gods" ... but a "storm" would require the assistance of Nature ... what I am looking forward to, exercising my birthright is, to never be deceived again :lol: which I believe will materialize as conscious telepathy ... I have dabbled with directing my energy and my intentions towards others, but in order for that to work, you must have a receptive individual willing to accept it ... or it just bounces off their walls and the closed doors of the IFZ.

There is so much potential associated with our creative abilities ... but discerning truth, remains my #1 priority, and I look forward to a time when conversations include quantum insights - and express a Wholeness Perspective ... when everyones doors are open and they have removed the MOTEs ... and allow for constant change in their personal belief systems... Imagine, if you will, not judging someone who is trying to deceive you ... but understanding - that's the god stuff I am talking about ... but you'all go ahead and hit me with your best shot... fire away, the more rain I get the less feed I have to buy the horses :lol:

PS, we are experiencing late Monsoons here, and it rains just about every evening (complete with rainbows and light shows) ... and thanks to my "argone generator" (cloudbuster version) I have been able to attract a lot of rain directly on to my property ... which is still green, and fairly lush considering it has sat neglected for years on end and it is ordinarily brown this time of year ... so how am I going to be able to tell which storm is yours? I have absolutely no doubt that you could manifest one - and am open and receptive to the notion, that all things are possible - for us gods to manifest --- just look what the Elite are manifesting with their weather machines ... and think of what we could do collectively - instantaneously with conscious awareness.

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Yes I see your point, so we can just as easily send useful weather pattern your way...'God' is just as able to bless as to curse.
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I think if you remain patient and continue to be centered you shall eventually get what you want in the way of experiencing a time when conversations include quantum insights - and express a Wholeness Perspective ... when everyone's doors are open and they have removed the MOTEs ... and allow for constant change in their personal belief systems... no longer having to imagine, if you will, not judging someone who is trying to deceive you ... but understanding - the god stuff you are talking about ... what 'god stuff' is that?

There is no point in judging the 'Anu' principle, I agree. It would be like taking a baseball bat to the wind. Better to let the wind go.

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yes, Understanding, is a very difficult virtue to master ... because it requires complete honesty - when there is none in this Empire of Deception - ... unless you resonate with genuine compassion to the "tone of Equality" ... the same tone that is embedded in all of the WMMs ... The LTO have mastered the "art of the genuine" and are fulfilling their purpose - our purpose, which is to transfer knowledge ... not just our personal knowledge gleaned from one "lifetime" but Unversal knowledge gleaned by seven billion individuals, each with a unique perspective, over ten thousand life times ... which amounts to discovering who we are and how to access FSI and transmit it without distorting it :wink:

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William said, "Come on now seed - are you really human? Are your stories not too be shared with the rest of the family? You are in human form and have a mission - your mission is not to discourage others from their own, but to enhance the experience. We ARE allowed to be human. How is life for you in your cell prison district?
Why don't you come out from behind the curtain of quotations and allow - why judge this as being of 'ego personality' or 'self importance' or 'lower vibration' or 'sensual' as a means of retaining the wall which has kept your place 'safe' from the rest of your family?"


You bring up a perfect example thank-you.

Generally we are all over-identified to a greater or lesser degree with the Human Instrument and its 5 senses, we live in our thoughts, not in our breath. Yes, i understand that my personal history might interest you because then you will think that you know me better... You will never know me by hearing stories of my experiences. Experience is nothing in itself but a means to evolve our collective understanding...The contribution we each offer up is the wisdom gleaned from the experience. This we share, this unique perspective to our evolving consciousness, not form, not evidence. Even the emotional empathy that you might feel towards me is rooted in an attachment to your own suffering....your own feelings of separation.

What i choose to identify with and express is not of this world.....it is peeking through form.

The truth of the SI is not of this world of MEST. I choose to live my life aligned with the SI consciousness, to express that understanding in all that i do and say to the best of my ability.....We stand up inside of the truth of the SI....not against the images we have created in spacetime. The SI consciousness is transparent, empty of distortion, timeless, placeless and whole....I understand that this consciousness can appear to some as cold and other-worldly because it is empty of the sentiment of the mind...The SI is devoid of illusion and fear, its needs are realized in its wholeness. Its passion is felt in the clear expression of unconditional love (HV's) which is the essence of all true passion.


What is human?

Is it sharing of our past experiences? I don't believe so.

What is human is represented through the moment to moment expression of our wholeness, our oneness, and our deep connection to all life through our shared heart.

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We are always thinking and evaluating, but do we ask ourselves whether we value all things as they are, and bear witness to the unity of their expression? (Manifesto) In our evaluations we are thinking in terms of right and wrong, and judge what we consider wrong and try to stimulate what we think is right. And this thought process, this evaluation, is limitating our expression, channeling it into certain patterns or systems of co-reaction that overshadow larger parts of the human spirit.

Nothing is wrong, means, this is what is happening, this is the consequence, this is what we are doing. This doesn't mean we should all do whatever we like or think that is right. There is simply no judgment and no denial of a personality. It is not "we are doing this but I'm not" or "you are doing that but I'm not" or "they are doing so but we're not" or any other belief in separation. It doesn't matter who is actually participating in it as it is a systemic mind, another entity employing people as its outposts. It is not my fault or yours. I am not immune to it while you are, and vice versa. The judgment is subtle. It is a challenge asking all of your sharpness as well as mine, to resolve this problem once and for all.

How do we do this? How do we go about objectively looking at and seeing what we are doing? This is not difficult. We all know it is not difficult to see what others are doing when we take the time to simply look without judgment, but when we ourselves participate - it becomes a little more difficult. Why don't we do it?

I'm not saying what we are doing is wrong and we should do what is right, so I am asking. Why? Is it because we like to show off our own personal expressions or stories? Is it because we are hurt? It is not wrong to be hurt, it is very normal! But we have grown a thick skin. However, it never seems thick enough.

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I will not forget you in the changes.
Cursed with memory so fine
I can trace your palm.
I can inhale your sweet breath.
I can linger in your arms' weight.
I can hear your exquisite voice
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This thread as well as others in the forum reminded me of this quote from Conscious Media Network....

"This oneness does not mean that individuality will no longer exist, quite the opposite. Individuality is heightened in the One Being paradigm, it is simply aligned to a collective purpose, and this purpose is to explore and share the accumulated wisdom of the One Being through creation. It does not mean that humanity is a hive mentality as depicted in science fiction. The soul of One Being is a connected entity that operates as a unified body of coherent creation aligned to the higher frequencies that issue from the dimensions of non-time, non-space, and non-matter."

It seems to me that our only responsibility is to be authentic. Sometimes I am inspired to share a story, sometimes I am silent, sometimes I want to share a quote (I love to quote the materials btw :) ) or something I have learned. If I follow my own heart's inspiration then what follows is authentic. When we respect that about all other expressions we experience 'nothing is wrong' and it seems that perhaps with this 'relaxed perception' we may 'understand' more.


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Thank You for your reply seed.

If I wasn’t awakening I would even be tempted to believe that what you share here is truthful, but unfortunately your activity in the name of being ‘SI’ belies your proclamations regarding this state of being in opposition to ‘being human’.
Also – you use this reasoning to skirt around the very human interaction between Mark and James (which is a gift) and the information therein which defines the connection between the prepared ego personality and the higher self and the activation of the personal mission which is incorporated with every awakening individual and how those missions collectively are to do with this 3D reality and bringing into this 3D reality the love centred life which has the potential to transform this prison we all – in human form – are part of.
It is always the individuals choice to:
    ♦Not see any prison
    ♦See a prison and look for a way to escape
    ♦See the prison and develop ways and contribute ideas to transform it into its intended potential purpose.

From how you respond here in this forum, I understand you to be someone looking for a way to escape – even someone who actually thinks they have escaped.
You see, from my perspective I do not ask you to share your human self because I lack knowing you better, or somehow need to find a place to categorise you.
I am not suggesting that I do not understand the emotions attached to such reasoning, or have not participated in such activity in the sleep mode of ‘not seeing any prison’ but that it is simply incorrect and unnecessary for you to respond with this regarding the reasons why I made that call to you, to show you human self.
The motivation for me doing so stems from your posts and thinly veiled critique in this thread:
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You know what I am talking about, and I take the opportunity now to thank you for discontinuing making such comments in that thread that we might find some agreement through humanly discussing it in this thread, perhaps even to come to some mutual agreement.

I may be off the mark in relation to ‘how an individual operating in SI awareness’ might act but I cannot see that how you chose to participate – how you decided to make the comments you did, surrounded as they were in quotes designed to prop up your arguments and label falsely ‘prison stories and lovely dreams’ and then use those false labels to justify your critique against those who are taking the opportunity to share their awakening understanding of their situations and revelations and even belief in the human potential, and in the name of SIP, dump on this as nothing more than a continued participation in some dreamy illusion.

You are not exempt seed, from this prison system, no matter how much you stay behind the curtain and peek through your humanity – denying its right to be what it is intended to be, here in 3D. Your mission is with the rest of us, not as someone to remain aloof and to critique the very condition of awakening, and deny your support to the rest of your family.

This is made so very clear in the conversation between Mark and James – a conversation to which each one of us is invited to sit in on.
Now I am aware that this conversation happened in 2005 and since then the Camelot Interview taking the veil away from the illusion of the world of 3D we share has come from James, but this does not replace what came before it – in other words – this does not negate or make null and void the message of the previous.

Rather it is designed to help us each understand more clearly the scope and situation of our mission, and that the connection/mergence of the prepared ego personality to its higher self within the framework of 3D – to understand the nature of the illusion that the prepared ego personality finds itself awakening within, and well prepared to assist in reengineering.

It is never about discarding – in this case in point – the Wisdom and Objective to be received within the conversation between Mark and James (to which we are like quiet listening participants) and replacing this with a new directive based on Camelot.
The Camelot information is simply not a ‘new directive’ – it is additional information which can assist the awakening individual with their mission here in 3D.

One set of information does not replace the previous.

I understand the caution and shyness – it is in itself rather the human thing. I do not understand critique in the name of ‘Camelot’ used as a tool of discouragement to being SI ‘inspired’. I understand it as a human response, in pretence.

It is true that I will never know you in the stories of your human experience – it is not important for me to know you this way. Rather it is as I said, in the sharing the bond of our collective mission when placed in the coherency of shared expression and purpose whilst we experience this 3D and how we each can and do effect the transformation of this.
It is in this ‘contribution’ – not ‘offered up’ as to our collectiveness outside of time and space (this is natural and perpetual in that ‘domain’) the ‘wisdom gleaned’ is of no import in that domain – its importance has to do with reflecting that wisdom INTO this domain of 3D and seeing the effect.

We can bring that higher attitude into this domain through the HI and in this we can duplicate a sense of timelessness and thus our ‘past experiences’ (gleaned no doubt from the linear perspective) are really not ‘past’ at all but the WHOLE of our human life in this one incarnation is viewed as one moment in the now.

Much the same way as a book is, which contains a story.

The story in the book is on the shelf. This could represent the individual who is not awake.
The book is taken from the shelf and opened at the beginning. This could represent the higher self activating the initial stirring of preparing the ego personality of its lower self.
The higher self begins reading the book, and has a higher or broader awareness which it knows could benefit the lower self, however the higher self is – while not confined to being stuck in the story as its higher self, is however stuck in the story as its lower self, and the lower self is costumed in protective layers of ego personality wrought about by the conditions of the situation – the backdrop – of the story and the other characters the lower self is involved with and shaped by.

Now the book having being opened and being read by the higher self, in knowing – in understanding that an aspect of itself – the lower self – is in all ways equal with the it, the higher self. It is simply ‘lower’ because it is involved within a story within a story within a story within a density which cannot be obtained and experienced without this ability to lower an aspect (fragment) of itself into the denser experience.

So – the higher self in reading the book comes to a blank page. Up to this point the story is being ‘written’ simply through the human reaction of the ego personality entrained by the things I have mentioned.

Suddenly before the eyes of the higher self, the blank page begins to unfold a difference and that difference is the lower self being ‘allowed’ by the ego personality to call to the higher self – it is obvious to the higher self through reading the book that this was inevitable.

The book then fluctuates between blank pages and written ones as the ego personality goes with or fights against this new shift in awareness – in allowing the lower self and higher self to connect – and in realising eventually that the ego personality IS the lower self which has – as it goes through the awakening process – discarded bit by bit the props and arrangement which it has habitually worn in order to ‘survive’ or ‘cope’ with its situation within the prison of the 3D density.

Is the higher self saying then “OMG Lower self! Get OUT of that story! It is designed to capture you and distort you and in effect this means that I too am captured because you are me!”

Or:

Is the higher self saying – “Okay – now I have your attention – there is a reason you are within this story simply because there is a reason I placed a part of myself INTO this story. In part is has to do with seeing if we as ‘separate’ can indeed reintegrate through the medium of the story, which of course we can.
Congratulations! A new ‘thing’ has been created.

Now what?

I realise that this post is long and I can hear hidelight bemoaning the use of reason and words and what have you’s that are seen as sure signs that the individual is stuck in a prison of his own illusion and unwilling to ‘see the light’ that is hidden.

I understand that we are all connected together in the ‘lofty’ realms of SI and that this experience in 3D can be see and expressed about as being a dangerous place of deception and more deception, but I also understand that it does not HAVE to be this way.

I also understand that altogether we are One – First Source – and that the ‘higher selves’ are ‘many’ yet (at least I think so) are One in their combined expression and support for this lower dimensional initiative, but I also understand that we are not looking for what we already HAVE as higher beings, but for what we might create, which we do not have, in relation to 3D density – we do not have the truth of ourselves WITHIN 3D collectively, and yet we KNOW we can achieve this thing, the only ‘obstacle’ is the unprepared ego personality – willing and able to step aside and allow this thing to unfold and become real.

There is no point in attributing this failure on ‘Anu’ – even be that from the information so far revealed, Anu has turned his back on the project – this is something else I sense a struggle with some – certainly apparent on you and perhaps to a degree in hidelight – that I have ‘thrown my lot’ in with ‘the enemy’ because I chose to Love them as part of OUR family, be that they might be dark in terms of their decision to twist and deform the intention of 3D reality to show how easy it is to manipulate SI – to serve a purpose – to show how SI can be enslaved.

Yet the story is not complete is it? The truth was shown – yes – in certain circumstance the SI can indeed be tricked and as mind boggling as this might be – as impossible as this might be understood until it is shown/proved that – yes indeed – it can be done.

But let us continue with the story, yes? Let us understand then that while this monstrosity can be achieved when the density is available and the conditions are ‘right’ that the higher self can be embroiled through its connection with its lower (density) self within the framework of 3D it can be effectively ‘imprisoned’ Congratulations Anu/Anunnki for revealing this to the unknowing, that in this the unknowing might learn to know, to understand, and yet to also – having learned through the human experience itself, provided the necessary finger of defiance and rise up and say “No More!”

We are informed ( and I concur) that Anu has bowed out because he could not keep up the illusion which imprisoned SI in 3D – not forever.
So here we are, in 3D nonetheless, ‘discussing’ the very illusion to which we should never have been able to see through…how interesting.

Which brings me of course back to the fact that WE now here about – if not knowing and acknowledging the prison we are awakening within, certainly have access to that information should we choose to download it fully into our consciousness – that we are here to undo within 3D the ‘damage’ we allowed Anu to prove could be done, (trough us) and to transform it into that which shows our understanding of our mission, to clean up the mess we helped to make and THIS is indeed, the act of SI incarnate in human form, and I am much more interested in this as truth than in believing that I am supposed to disengage from my human experience and become back to what I once was – a ‘higher self’ unconcerned, uncaring, unknowing and in denial of the potential universe of 3D density – to delete the lower self from that domain and to make that domain taboo – untouchable, unapproachable, unable to be fully immersed into as SI.

Not even something to peek at.

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Yes, the individual perspective is important. We are FS with personal preferences. It's when identity and purpose is fixated in separation from FS, or over identified with the HI that this confusion of identity exists.

This is a great analogy from the WM Glossary,



"Plants have root systems that penetrate earth and drink of her substance. In this way, all plants are linked. Imagine that each plant had a secret root that was invisible, but was nonetheless connected to the very center of the planet. At this point of convergence, every plant was indeed unified and aware that its real identity was this core system of interconnected roots, and that the secret root was the lifeline through which individual expression was brought to the surface of earth and its unified consciousness released as the fragrance of individuality. In this same way, all existence has a secret root that spirals into the uncharted realm of First Source. This is the field of unity that defines the culture of the multidimensional universe."


And this from the Art of the Genuine on the ego-mind,

"The ego-mind searches for the expression of intelligence in the significance of activity; while the soul is intelligent unto itself because it faithfully receives and transmits the virtues of the heart.

The ego-mind seeks the pay-off of activity or the rewards of consequence; while the soul seeks to sustain a culture of the heart’s virtues within the density of the worlds of form. The self is caught, in a sense, between two worlds that share one common element: Purpose. We are all aware, in our most lucid moments, that there is a deeper purpose to life, and, in particular, to our life. The fragmentary world of form is arresting to our senses, but it does not provide satisfaction to our inborn longing for purpose.

This is why the ego-mind is frustrated in so many who are here waiting for their purpose to unfold. The art of the genuine is the practice of coherence between the deeper awakening of the heart virtues within each of us, and their faithful expression in the worlds of form. Those individuals who are awakened to the frequencies of the energetic heart within and practice–to their best ability in the moment–the expression of these frequencies in their behavior and actions are practicing their highest purpose." ( The art of the Genuine)

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Watcher, the Sovereign Integral is a state of consciousness....and Source Intelligence is the one doing the 'peeking.'



Sovereign Integral

"The Sovereign Integral is a state of consciousness whereby the entity and all of its various forms of expression and perception are integrated as a conscious wholeness. This is a state of consciousness that all entities are evolving towards, and at some point, each will reach a state of transformation that allows the entity and its instruments of experience (i.e., the human instrument) to become an integrated expression that is aligned and in harmony with Source Intelligence."


Source Intelligence

"Source Intelligence is the energy-consciousness of First Source that is cast into all worlds, all dimensions, all realities, all life forms, all times and places. Source Intelligence is the First Source projected into all that is. Source Intelligence, in effect, is the "eyes and ears" of First Source, and its role is principally involved in expressing, upholding, and sustaining the will of First Source. On a more personal level, it is a liberating force of energy-intelligence that serves to accelerate the expansion of consciousness and assist those who desire to unlimit themselves."(WM Glossary)


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seed - your answer and accompanying quotes do not negate or prove something different to my own post.
Indeed, if you are suggesting that First Source Intelligence is supportive of hiding and peeking rather than being hands on and active then this belief serves to strengthen your resolve to remain the same.
It is most obvious we differ, and I accept this - like I said, I appreciate that you have decided to keep your discouraging opinions to yourself in regards to others using this forum to express their stories - it is not your 'thing' to do, that is fine.
You believe that you mirror this is how SI expresses - and that those who are expressing 'differently' (as you decide) - "telling prison stories and focused on lovely dreams" I understand is your opinion rather than an actual expression of SI - I understand that you 'beg to differ' as do I, on what SI expression within 3D is and that we are best then to discard with further discussion on the subject for now - we can reserve the right to activate it in 'another now' should the opportunity present itself within the framework of this unfolding reality we share.
I will of course remind you should you deem it essential to continue make disparaging comment in 'the name of' being SIP - because when you do you are proclaiming loud and clear that you are in disagreement and I will respond to your call on this.
It will be less 'wordy' - as the words have already being shared and there is no other thing to add - indeed I can refer you to those things already said...
...I leave you to your 'peeking' in the understanding that you will emerge eventually, as certainly as FSI IS.


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