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 Post subject: What is wrong?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:48 am 
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Someone said "It's much nicer when we feel that nothing is wrong, much friendlier".
What is wrong then? Nothing?

I feel that many things are wrong.
Every thing that is wrong makes a pain in my heart.

So,
maybe much nicer is to call it a dinner,
not to feel that it is rabbit that was killed?
Are you able to kill a rabbit for your dinner?
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I see, you dont mind.

Much nicer is to call them our heroes, not to see that
they are just murders.
Are you able to kill a man or say it is good?
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I see, you dont mind.

Much nicer is to call them sweet hot ladies, not to hear a cry of child
Are you able to use child for your own pleasure?
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I see, you dont mind.

Unconsciousness wants to see only one side of a coin.
Truth doesnt avoid seeing both.
The most important heart virtue is not hurting anyone.
This heart of compassion knows what is wrong.

Use it as your life navigation.

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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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If you would feel what it means that nothing is wrong, you would not criticize that which is right. So what does it mean? Is it right to criticize that which is right? Is it right? Is it right to kill? You can kill with words, with your image of another, all violence of misunderstanding is a form of killing mentality, you are still a predator. So, first stop doing that and try to understand everything, and then you will feel what it means, and then, perhaps, for the first time in your life you will start transforming that which is wrong in your eyes. Open your eyes and see what YOU are doing. Then you will see what is wrong and not wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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The “state of the world” is a direct consequence of our individual choices and behaviors, which is exactly how it should be.

The state of the world is the “response” to the “stimulus” that we project to it.
If we look into the mirror and feel pain, what is really the cause of that pain?
The reflection or the source of that reflection?

There is the question of if you do the work and approach impeccability within yourself; will the world reflect that change in state?

Does it matter?.....What are you responsible for?


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Being okay with 'what is' expresses as trust or Humility. When we remember we are all equally God then what we each choose is essentially okay and we express that through an Appreciation for all that is knowing what we all are is undying (soul). Suffering is created by rejecting/separating from the reality of wholeness that always shines at our core. Ignorance of Source Reality is all that separates us and it is just a matter of time before we all uncover love's expression. Compassion feels we are all doing the best we can. Valor give voice to the essential truth of our being without causing separation. Expressing Forgiveness for what is created/chosen/acted out in ignorance allows us to refocus again inside of our own innocence. An Understanding of Source Reality allows us to remember peace as we reconnect in the innocence of the pure and perfect inside our one heart.

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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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what are you responsible for? Your response....

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If you make a crime of separation your heart will feel a pain of duality.
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If you do a second crime that you dont want to feel coming true punishment
then all your pain accumulates as a shadow/distortion of unfelt karma around the heart.
This shadow makes your heart unseen.
More you avoid true feeling (by self protection) more you feel wrong, stressed and guilty.
Acting from this karma (not from living heart) creates wars, violence, blaming and ping-pong show.

All we need is to start feeling all what comes. Escpecially all what we dont like here on the Earth.
True feeling is forgiving. True feeling is the only transformation.
(crocodille cannot realize it for sure)

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This is why the saying "nothing is wrong" is so good because it is so shocking to the outer view, that should do something about it all, but cannot look inside. Everything one might say, can and will be misinterpreted; so one can as well state the worst truth of all: nothing is wrong. It will be terribly misinterpreted and misused indeed to take it very easy and not in the good way. Everybody starts saying that nothing is wrong, yet meanwhile those who truly understand it will be transforming what is because they remain with what is and look inside.

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starduster wrote:
what are you responsible for? Your response....


:) Yes, your response...your reactions, choices and "behaviors".


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"Nothing is wrong."

The other 'terrible' truth is that You are equal/one with your Creator...you are God also.



So... keep being that brave little ant carrying the WM's banner in your war against oppression.

Or join us and fly into the Sun.

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:lol:



"To live in the Wholeness Perspective is to value
all things as they are and to bear witness to the
unity of their expression."


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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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again, it all boils down to a personal perspective...eh?

fly into the sun ? HA HA

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When you believe, "I am a fragment of First Source imbued with ITS capabilities," you are engaging this energy system inherent within the feeling of connectedness. You are pulling into your reality a sense of connection to your Source and all of the attributes therein. The belief is inseparable from you because its energy system is assimilated within your own energy system and is woven into your spirit like a thread of light.


are you "pulling into your reality a sense of connection to your Source...and ALL the ATTRIBUTES therein? Have you REALized the attributes of "GOD"? Have you recognized IT, withIN your SELF...? Will you MATERIALIZE ITs plan for UNITY and EQUALITY... or as seed suggests, just go kill yourself? because it requires less effort.

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" I can tell you the core truth in as little as two sentences. Here it goes: Just as the Sun is the presence of God in our collective universe, you are the presence of God in your local universe. You are a light being in a universe of equal beings and each one is just as essential to the whole."

So you see in these two sentences I’ve told you the seeds of truth from which all other wisdom arises. There is nothing to be confused about in this truth unless of course you fall back on your historical knowledge. So if you’re confused you must bear some responsibility for your confusion as it comes to you out of comparison. Take the first sentence: Just like the Sun is the presence of God in our collective universe . . . What does it mean? The Sun and God are one and the same? Well for many this would be heresy. In some periods of our history you would have been killed for saying this, and yet, it’s the truth though it’s more complex than simply saying Sun and God are identical. So the words themselves begin to confound truth. So to simplify your own truth you need to have a framework from which your beliefs arise. The framework of Lyricus is to live a love-centered life by expressing the six heart virtues to all within your local universe. As you do this you become a conductor of your emotional system and you become the presence of God in your world. It’s a very simple framework and one that springs forth from the most ancient of worlds yet there has really been no evolution provided to it, it’s not undergone interpretations, it has not been embroidered by any religious institution. It is not owned by anyone."


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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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yes and once you REALize your connection to FS... then you will ACT accordingly.

does compassion, understanding, and the other virtues of the heart suggest in anyway that you are limited...that you dim your lights for others? or that you shine with FULL FORCE within your local Universe.

Is the SUN complacent? or does it have a direct influence upon everything in the solar system?

do YOU have this kind of influence in your local universe?

The virtues of the heart are not, as some would choose to believe, and excuse to DO NOTHING,
they are the inspiration of FS to Act to the "best of your ability" to balance the energy of the Central Sun in our lives. The Lim Cos does not suggest we bask in the sunlight, but that we channel this energy through our HIs to infuse it into our reality...Earth. No where does the WMMs suggest that "using" the heart virtues is not actively taking part in the evolution of humanity.

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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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what is YOUR RESPONSE to the WMMs?

are you going to ACT on what they reveal... to assist the SPECIES as intended? One person (YOU) at a time?

expressing the virtues of the Heart are more than just voicing them...they demand that you DO "the right thing".

once you start "resisting" human nature...by demonstrating Supernatural abilities of a Sov Int, you can expect friction.

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There is nothing wrong with human nature. The human instrument is a superb and unique body, and the mind as it works is always diminishing its spiritual capability, but when it realizes there is nothing wrong with the body -- as it is -- and as it works, all tension of the mind to the rest of the instrument is released and the natural state will show you. There is nothing wrong. You can go and try make people listen to what you perceive to be the only solution and even point out to them what is demanded, but it will never work because it is you who are in a process of change and you want to project that upon others. Don't stretch it in that way, consider that nothing is wrong and that things will happen almost automatically, transform very awake for what could be possible. When you know what you are doing you will naturally gain the possibility to stretch things a little further, and the power of this is that from face to face the other must understand. It's so subtle...

By the way, do you know what is human nature? Human nature is the Archetype of First Source.

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 Post subject: Re: What is wrong?
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Nathan I think you are defending your own behavior... the original template was altered, as the materials reveal...and as you well know from reading them "dormant" DNA can be activated... why the denial?


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Dr. Neruda: "Aggressive ETs, seeking to quite literally own earth, visited our planet approximately eleven thousand years ago. These ETs brought their genetics to our native DNA, and in so doing, modified our human DNA adding a more aggressive, domineering drive to our personalities. This predisposition divided the human species into the conquerors and the conquered."


and within the original design there is the option to make one's own "adjustments"... human nature as it is today is not the human nature designed into the original template of the SECU... but you have the ability to restore it back to its original design...or NOT.


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Within our genetic substrate is the inborn structure that will ultimately deliver our species to the central universe as a perfected species. The WingMakers have encoded this within our DNA, and set forth the natural and artificial trigger points that cause our genetic structures to alter and adapt. In this process, it activates parts of our nervous system that feed the brain with a much richer stream of data from our five senses and two additional senses that we have yet to consciously activate."

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"The habit of looking outward through the eyes of separation is changed through the applicatin of the when-which-how practice because its signature strength is aligning the individual with a sence of service to humanity—not because humanity is broken or suffering in misery—but because it kindles the natural perception we have of our intrinsic interconnection with one another that we feel within our hearts."

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Thanks for that perfect quote seed, it seems to hit all the buttons at once. Starduster, the perceiver is the perceived. When you have transformed beyond what you believe, then human nature is what I said, isn't it?

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hey would ya lookit that

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When you know what you are doing you will
naturally gain
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Let's see what you have here...
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oh no, not enough this time. No gain.
Wrong is to think that there is anything to win.

Every separated card has a different nature.
But all these cards means nothing without a rule of the game.
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To know a game is to be a game not a single card.

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he he

but what if you are a game all on yer own?

and you see other cards from 'different' games playing their hand and complain that they are not playing the game you are playing (and think you are winning - when really you are whining)

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..as it states in the quote ...this WWH practice is another move which "is aligning the individual with a sense of service to humanity" - and may be why the WWH practice is associated with the EVT website, where no background in the WMMs is required and where the virtues of the heart have taken a second seat to "sessions" which are the simplest ACT of serving humanity a spiritually minded person could do...these "teachings" are separated for a reason, which I understand serves a purpose other than the techniques suggested in the WMMs.

you may assume, that I find something wrong...but I see clearly the perfection of the Plan, that encourages a transformation ... not because something is wrong...but because I perceive it as the appropriate next step in the natural progression of the species - available now.

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In a very real sense, the individual expects to observe the workings of Source Intelligence in every facet of their experience. It is the unassailable expectation that everything is in its rightful position, performing its optimal function, and serving its purpose to activate the fullest expression of its life in the present moment. It is the outlook that all life is in a state of optimal realization and experience regardless of condition or circumstance. It is the perception that life is perfect in its expression because it flows from perfection, and that no matter how divergent its manifestations are, life is an extension of Source Reality.

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Life is a self-created solitaire
Balance and perfect order is the final step.

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"Wrong" is to think that 'we-single figures or colours' have any self importance.
This self-imporance is only a part of the game.
And you can only do what game sais
even when you are perfect gambler
there is always more perfect one gambling you.
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ps. "what if" (:, know by yourself, experience can by only your

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