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 Post subject: Re: Experiences with the Heart Virtues
PostPosted: Mon May 17, 2010 10:32 pm 
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Shayalana....I know you posted the above for Starduster but thank you from me :D ....what a wonderful thing to read. Sara Paddison speaks beautifully from the heart.


I posted it for anyone who is interested and I know that star would be. I am glad you can appreciate this brilliant Heart Intelligent woman too. :D

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I want to say I appreciate everyones working with me in the experiment.

I have felt to use this experiment to send the heart virtues to all present and past Forum members each day.

We might try an other experiment. Do a Quantum Moment, before writing a posting? Could this bring in a higher dimensional energy in our discussions?

I want to thank the Watcher for giving us the opportunity to send him our heart virtues first. For me it has given an expanded field for the transmission of the six heart virtues in a positive way.

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2708 participants in this morning's session.....every day the number gets larger.....Proof to me of the experiment being a success.......Golden Light Particles to ALL.


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2738 this morning ...feels so good to participate ...thank you for making this available.


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And thank you Darlene for initiating such an experiment. :D

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Update on my Friday morning 5 year practice of the six heart virtues.

When we are shopping at the same time on Friday, we now have an exchange of positive words about the weather or having a good week-end. They even give me a smile, as they rush to the next item on their list.

This has truly taught me that time does not matter, when using the virtues. The sub-atomic energetics work when we practice them.

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Thanks for sharing that Darlene and it is wonderful. I had a similar experience with a person who was quite nasty to begin with. Instead of reacting to her I chose kindness and treated her in a very courteous manner with no judgment. The next time I saw her she was very polite and very friendly. This took place over a period of a few months. I know that my attitude can make all the difference in the world when dealing with people and what example I set in how I am with them no matter how they are with me. Even facetiousness works sometimes if I feel they may have sense of humor. :D

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I find that the habit I need to break (the most) is assuming, from casual conversations, that the person I am talking to wouldn't be interested in the WMMs ... I make a special effort to go with the "inspiration" to mention them, when ever that "idea" pops into my head, no matter how inappropriate it appears to be (to me) at the time ... I am constantly amazed at how it is received, as if that were the very thing we started a conversation for - when that is the last thing on my mind when the conversations begin :lol:

even if they don't look into the website, (I may never know) they are made familiar with the word ... which we all know now, is embedded and resonates somewhere in everyone's sub conscious, if not in their hearts ... as an unexpected gift, finally unwrapped. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Experiences with the Heart Virtues
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This is a little less concrete than you all are expressing but I find that when I am feeling the Heart Virtues within and relatively successful in expressing them 'without' and able to let go of need to control anyone elses reality....I come to a rather artistic, consistent and coherent glowing feeling within. I have more energy and life flows more smoothly and magically for myself and those around me. I am very grateful for the framework we have been given here.


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Interesting, because it's not for us to control anyone except how we choose to be accordingly. There's always the choice to pause,observe and listen to the heart even if feeling reactive or go with being reactive. To step back and become coherent again before acting is the ideal and not always so easy to do but over time with practice becomes easier. Coherence is the only kind of, if you want to call it control I am interested in and as far as others are concerned , its never them so much as how I am with or about them. Sometimes the best thing to do is Bless em and walk away. No worries. :wink:

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I agree..... :D


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"Between stimulus and response, there is a space. In that space lies our freedom and power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom."

- Viktor E. Frankl


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Shayalana wrote:
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"Between stimulus and response, there is a space. In that space lies our freedom and power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom."

- Viktor E. Frankl


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O.k. Shayalana , is this quote something from the WMM ?? :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Experiences with the Heart Virtues
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Here is an example of the Heart Virtues in action. It is directly from James. He is demonstrating the Sovereign Integral level of consciousness and showing us how it can be used in our lives everyday.

This is from the PC website.
June 10 : Update

Letter from James -

What follows is a Letter from James of Wingmakers regarding statements made by A'shayana Deane in her interview with me filmed on April 2010.

My name is James, the creator of the WingMakers materials, which launched in November 1998, nearly 12 years ago. A’shayana Deane has made defamatory and unsubstantiated remarks regarding a body of work I have worked to develop since I was a teenager (many years ago I must admit). I’ve always endeavored to produce materials that reflect coherence and to help build a shared vision of truth. I simply want to share a perspective on the importance of behavioral intelligence, using both fiction and non-fiction, presented in text, visual images and music formats.

I am a human man, originally from Spain, and have chosen to remain anonymous because I don’t wish to mix my personality with the materials I create. I do not have a staff, or any organization. Mark Hempel, my web manager, is the closest thing to an organization that I have since he operates my four websites. I do not do workshops or make speeches. In twelve years, I have never spent a dime on marketing or promotion. I have done three interviews. I’ve written over 1,000 pages of free material that is both fiction (mythological-based WingMakers) and non-fiction (papers like Spiritual Activism and the Six Heart Virtues).

Until two days ago, I had not been aware of A’shayana Deane. I have never written or spoken about her or her group (or any other group for that matter). It is not my place to critique the works of others, and if she had offered a critique of my work, I would understand. Not everyone likes what I have produced, and like anyone who creates music, art, or writings, they will have their critics. But what A’shayana Deane has said on this video is not a critique of my material, but rather a gross inaccuracy that can be potentially confusing and stressful to people.

So why did I ask Kerry to edit the tape? Wouldn’t this only bring more attention to the inaccuracy? Yes, I believe it will, but the moment that A’shayana Deane made these inaccuracies, I had no choice but to deal with them. Here are the primary inaccuracies, as they pertain to the WingMakers materials:

1) The identity of the WingMakers is not how I have portrayed them, but rather they are a fallen race of ETs with a dark agenda.

2) That the WingMakers art and music activate a DNA response from those who view or listen to the material that brings about a negative merkaba.

3) That the WingMakers caused the recent earthquakes in Chile, killing innocent lives.

I asked Kerry Cassidy to edit this information from the video not because I didn’t want people to know about these inaccuracies, but as a matter of principle. I’m well aware that the genie is out of the bottle. I know that A’shayana Deane had her own people filming the interview (in addition to Kerry) with the intent to make a DVD for resale on their site. I have no intention to try and withhold the information from the public, to the contrary, I am planning to shine the light on it so those involved can understand why we, who write and talk about love and light, forgiveness and understanding, and the higher principles of Spirit, can actually demonstrate something of what we say.

I have written a body of work (non-fiction) that deals with behavioral intelligence. Part of this work focuses on what I have called the Six Heart Virtues, which consists of appreciation, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding and valor. Collectively, these virtues constitute the frequency of what humanity has termed “love.” These are the qualities that flow from the heart and help each of us express our true self in the moment. They become the new criteria for our actions. When someone attacks our integrity, for example, we can apply understanding and forgiveness.

In respect to this situation, A’shayana Deane has a remarkable facility to articulate big concepts. She appears bright, cheerful and I will assume well-meaning. While I have not studied her books and other materials, I respect what she has created and know that it could only occur out of a strong commitment, and I offer that observation to those that work with her as well. Sometimes sitting in front of a camera for six hours, and the pressure of being “on” causes even the best speaker to make slip-ups. Perhaps, as Kerry has suggested, when A’shayana Deane uses the term “WingMakers” she is referring to a different race of ETs. I don’t pretend to know what is in another’s heart, but when the work I have spent the better part of my life creating is attacked, no matter the reason, I will step forward to defend it. I may not be successful, but I believe I owe this to the hundreds of thousands who have seen the art, listened to the music, and studied the materials.

I have written in many of my non-fiction works about the Era of Transparency that is coming to this planet. It is in the spirit of this transparency that I have included in this response my letter that I sent to A’shayana Deane inquiring about the nature of her inaccuracies. I have yet to receive a response, but I hope that she will respond soon, and to be fair, I only sent it to her yesterday.

All of us in this community need to find our own way into coherence. There is no magic or mantra to invoke coherence. It is done through the behaviors—how and what we express through our thoughts, words, feelings and actions. We need to create a shared vision of truth from out of an increasing quotient of coherence. And this shared truth must arise from humans—we, we must develop it. It is not going to be deposited in our hands from the skies or God or ETs. It will be a collective human creation, and one that I hope we can all contribute to.

I forgive A’shayana Deane for her inaccuracies. I hold no malice towards her, and wish her well in her work. I hope she is successful in her endeavors, and if she would like to work together in some future time, I would gladly consider it. I believe this is how we who write about the love, light and sound of the higher dimensions, who appear to have beneficial insights of the higher truths, should walk our talk. Otherwise, separation and polarity seeps in, and how can a shared truth arise in such an environment?

If people would like to see the original video sections that I have asked to be edited, I would encourage them to write to Kerry Cassidy and request this. I have no further objection to holding them back as long as Kerry is willing to include my response on YouTube and her own site. I simply wanted to be transparent and share my reaction to the inaccuracies. I have said my peace.

Thank you for listening.

From my heart to yours,

James

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 Post subject: Re: Experiences with the Heart Virtues
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Yes.....I so appreciate James' wonderful example....of 'walking the talk'.......no drama.....



....thank you Darlene for posting it....


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Multiversal wrote:
Shayalana wrote:
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"Between stimulus and response, there is a space. In that space lies our freedom and power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and freedom."

- Viktor E. Frankl


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O.k. Shayalana , is this quote something from the WMM ?? :wink:


It's from HeartMath which James unequivocally supports the founder of do you know who that is? His name is in one of the Interviews , do you know which one?

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I believe the founder of IHM was Doc Childres or something like that ? And no I'm not that familiar with an interview that talks about him .... Relax , anyway I was just poking some fun at you with they way you get onto others for drifting away from the WMM . I enjoy reading what you have to contribute , it is just that it is o.k. if you drift away from the WMM and you have done so many times , I don't think you should critizise others when they do , I think that is a fair enough . :)


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the above is a perfect example of how one allows themself to be distracted by fault finding in others instead of seeking and finding FS in all manifestations of life :wink:

The topic here is Experiences with the Heart Virtues ... a friendly reminder, that when ever you focus your attention on the messenger instead of the message - the message is ignored.

the Principals "condition" or train one's mind to seek out another perspective ... one that includes FS ... They may be the First Point of gaining the experience of expressing the HVs, in their genuine and authentic form ... "we can't have our dessert, if we don't eat our meat "

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:shock: man why are you so uptight starduster ? why do women have a harder time controlling their emotions than men do ?? do you really and truely in your heart believe that we are one ? master of one's self begins with ....well yourself .


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I believe the founder of IHM was Doc Childres or something like that ? And no I'm not that familiar with an interview that talks about him .... Relax , anyway I was just poking some fun at you with they way you get onto others for drifting away from the WMM . I enjoy reading what you have to contribute , it is just that it is o.k. if you drift away from the WMM and you have done so many times , I don't think you should critizise others when they do , I think that is a fair enough . :)


I don't drift away . Everything I post has something to do with the WMM in one way or another and that is because I use them as my reference and for the questions I ask it leads me to possibilities that support the WMM in one way or another. You come here using something else as a frame of reference and try converting us away from here and into your frame of reference. That is because the WMM don't resonate with you as much as the frame of reference you use otherwise. I have no fear in stating how much these materials are an integral part of my life. That is because I am Sovereign enough to know that others opinions about me are rather meaningless compared to what I feel and know within. How Sovereign are you? How much do others opinion of you determine your actions or reactions?

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:shock: man why are you so uptight starduster ? why do women have a harder time controlling their emotions than men do ?? do you really and truely in your heart believe that we are one ? master of one's self begins with ....well yourself .


Your knee jerk reaction to her post should , perhaps, be contemplated by you? Her response to you carried little in way of emotion except pointing out to you what you so blatantly ignored in my post which was the brilliant quote and what it means. You have allowed your personality to make this so very personal so that you can elicit reactions from other personalities. Only thing is something else is responding instead and you don't know what to do with that. As I wrote all of this there was little to no emotion except a quiet joy. :wink:

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I do love my little personality quite so and I'm not afraid to let it , well live a little and experience this life/world as it was / is meant to be experienced . You can psychoanalyze it/me all you want , but at the end of this life/journey we're all the same in a way , just seperated by time/distance in our travels . :lol:


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:shock: man why are you so uptight starduster ? why do women have a harder time controlling their emotions than men do ?? do you really and truely in your heart believe that we are one ? master of one's self begins with ....well yourself .



no, I don't "believe that we are One" Seeker, other than one species ... or one fragment of "god" with a unique and Individuated Consciousness that is equal in every respect in its value to "complete" FS in Wholeness.

To accept one's uniqueness, as you express (later post) reveals that you don't believe that we are ONE any more than I do ... and I am not "uptight" or emotional as you percieve from your limited perspective ... I am focused on becoming aligned with the WMMs... not diluting or perverting it ... I am not here for group therapy - which some so desperately are seeking, I am a Truth Seeker ... as well as an independent individual with a self-created personality and reality ... and part of a collective that is dedicated to expressing the authentic and genuine frequency of FS ... and not some HMS version of it.

This is not "fun and games" to me ... nor is it a place to share the mundane ... the WMF is where we come to discuss the WMMs and discover and reveal "personal wisdom" ... which IMO is the most important mission one could hope to assist in... sorry if you find that restrictive because what it really is, is empowering and unifying ... as we discover the many faces of FS in each other lie beneath the superficial masks of political correctness's head games.

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Well I am impressed that I didn't evoke more of an emotional response from my somewhat sexist reply of men controlling their emotions better than women . Emotions are an integral part of our human experience . I can embrace my limitations and I realize that they are for my spiritual evoloution . I was simply trying to convey that if starduster and shayalana were not so domineering in their attitudes with new members here that there may be some more interesting dialouge in here rather than parroting of the WMM and people feeding their egos with who sounds the most knowledgable about the WMM . It is kind of a double standard when you tell other members that this forum is for discussing WMM and they shouldn't make reference to other materials here , and then you turn around and do exactly what you are telling others that they should not do . It is like there are two bullies on this playground that corner they new kids and intimidate them into their submissive jr. parrots . :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Seeker, as you study the WMMs you will discover, that they cover and or relate to almost everything that is going on in our now ... and are hardly restrictive, and include all of cosmology as well as political and fringe subjects ... The LTO explain that their main focus iin FAQs in their website ...

Within Lyricus, expertise is centered on seven disciplines: the fields of genetics, neo-sciences, metaphysics, sensory data streams, psycho-coherence, cultural evolution, and the Sovereign Integral. Lyricus is not focused exclusively on philosophical or spiritual teachings because its central purpose is the irrefutable scientific discovery of the humanoid soul upon three-dimensional, life-bearing planets.

a quick look at the format of the forum shows, many fields of interest, however, you won't see a place to discuss your day ... your belief system or your personal philosophy ... ie no one joined this forum to discuss your personal problems or to get your opinion of the WMMs ... if you feel limited by the specific intent of this forum, there are plently of New Age forms where you can go chit chat about whatever blows your kilt up but if you came here to discuss what you have found in the materials ... or something that at least relates to the materials, you will be appreciated for you contributions

contrary to other forum's practice, we are not here to discuss the messenger ... simply the message. It does take some getting used to ... but is well worth your effort.

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