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ONLY WITHIN NOTHINGNESS IS THERE AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY IN ACTION
Nothing is exact. Even nothingness. Everything is specific. But words are tricky. The word is not the thing. And the mind may interpret a different intent behind different thoughts. A mind that is seeking—consciously or unconsciously—will hear different things than a mind only listening. I would say that the former is not a scientific mind. It is not observing objectively. That mind is in the process of translating thoughts. But in this very process it is absorbed. It is not listening. Either one will mechanically do as if the thought was of their own will, and thus execute something, believing that the mind is thinking; or the mind will ask itself what that thought means and further translate the thought. However, even this choice it has is already a first conversion. This is identification. A listening mind on the other hand is empty of content. It is essential that it hears all there is to hear, so the intent is not diminished. Energy is a motive. Sound will always be unique, even if you add another vowel to the language, but from this perspective of Source equality, the exact abstract proportions of what is said are principally captured while we leave all possible interpretation to another mouth, another hand, another mind open.

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Christophe your vanity has reached epic proportions. How many more MOTE topics are you planning to pollute this section with? This E-paper section is not for what you seem to be making up as you go along as entrenched in your self absorption and self importance that you are. It's for discussion of the e-papers put out by James concerning these WMM. What do you find so difficult to understand about this? You remind me of the captain of that ship in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy who when he found stowaways on his ship whom he would have bound to a chair , he would torture them to death by reading them his poetry. :roll:

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:lol: ja Shay.

Nat doesn't seem to "get it" ... that ONE CONSCIOUSNESS means that those who are aligned, will all get the identical message ... without any need for words, or "translation" ... what we are doing here, now, is practicing ... letting the HVs flow.


We'll just have to wait and see who's prepared to ride the wild dog into the New Age... and who jumps off because they haven't Mastered their Emotions... when they finally WAKE UP...and find they aren't in Kansas anymore but on an Island, they'll wish they had assembled their "radio" instead of writing fairy tales. :lol:

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Seldom is light understood as sound. Music is live information; it may be channeled through the air, like physical light, or recorded, like a film is, or one laptop may play the score, like a touchpad, but all that has nothing to do with the time factor with music. When you sit on the riverbank awaiting words from your friend, who is lying in the field of Ardath in bloom, a bit further, but pour water from one pitcher in to the other to keep yourself busy and listen, you may be wasting all of your time… but it is still music.

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The mysterious Allness of all life is singing, and like a tuning fork struck, our heart's resonate to transmit the sound.

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Nat, you can make all the excuses in the world to avoid what you came here to do ... you can delay or dam your own progress, by allowing yourself to be distracted ... or by ignoring your SELF ... there is nothing that prevents you from "whistling while you work" :D

but from my perspective, you want us to believe that "pouring water from one picture to another" serves some purpose other than personal amusement and refuses to acknowledge the fact that it may distract others ... or even block their path to the Source of the water you are playing with... because you are so enamored by the sound of your own voice. :wink:

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If you want to discover something new in life, something that makes your life truly worth it, and there is no-one who is not able to enter into this potential as there are no rules in this, history may prove it, but there is one condition, and only one: you will have to develop your perception capacity big time. And you’ll have to realize that the observer is the observed. Become the observer and simply disappear in the observance of Source in all things.

Now we are a scientist, who is starting to believe that all this nonsense may be not such nonsense after all, after all one never knows and now they are reading it anyway. One scientist is enough. But suppose they are listening and breathing. We are—we are him or her and breathe very well. Every breath we take, we’re watching our breath and feeling the energy stream through us. We’re starting to become again like when we were very cozy, as if half born on our back in bed like an animal—breathing. Breathing in and breathing out, but keep feeling the energy, and listen. Just relax and listen in that state of well being. Listen for what we have been doing.

As a scientist we are interested in the work we have been doing, correct? Very interested. But releasing ownership of energy, we find our connection to Source with ease, as if there’s a wholeness navigator inside the mind, that is accessed the moment we do so.

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Nathan at the bottom of every post you make is this.....Jam tua res agitur ....what does it mean ?


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It's from this observance/awareness that appreciation naturally spills forth like a spring in the desert, and from that spring an oasis spreads out where all life is nurtured.

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.....instead of writing fairy tales.....

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"If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales."

~Albert Einstein~


Fairy tales and myth.

What's the difference?



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.....But releasing ownership of energy, we find our connection to Source with ease, as if there’s a wholeness navigator inside the mind, that is accessed the moment we do so.....

.....and the wholeness navigator is the only program within the hms that will lead us out of this mess.

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Then you get energy. When you hold on to your energy or energies, or whatever you may be doing and how you would call it, you are depleting your energy, certain reservoirs of the physical body, and then load up again during rest and sleep and dream; but when you release and don’t occupy your system with thought all the time, the body will become able to store more and different qualities of energy, which will also help and develop your perceptual capability.

Then you get a much better look on your own mental processes and how it is interwoven with the emotional intelligence of yours. Then you start healing. You will feel something somewhere at your energy body and simply by being with it you will avoid diseases. So again, the human body is one energy intelligence. And this energy consciousness, that is one, is a completely different consciousness than consciousness as we know it. And the one consciousness can only be awake and waiting when the common consciousness has lost all content.

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P.S. Look it up with Google, markzorb.

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I did do a search Nathan....and what i found revealed a lot about you....fear and trembling is not what a Wing Maker is about....Kierkegaard a major player of the HMS....now that William's Animus connection has been cut.....this subconsciously a plea for help from your Higher Self....to do the same for you....is not an attack...more a liberation....go with the Flow...here ..in Compassion...best advice i can give ......old friend.....letting go not easy as you have become dependent on them....funny ...your telling me to do a search....as this was not on my agenda of things to do ...but now is......cut the cords.....the choice simple....Wing Maker or Animus......choose ONE Nathan.....I know....and so do you....that eventually you made the right choice....is only a question of how much drama we are going to go through here.. before you realize it too......as the ego....is resistant......this also applies to you Seed....makes me happy to see both of you wanting to become a TEAM member.....James has given us all the Golden Compass....is time to use it.....happy happy joy joy. :D :D :D


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It can only empty when we breathe and listen. Breathe and listen. This is a very simple thing to do, yet for the mind it is simply impossible to breathe and listen. Try it out, and you can see that each time the mind starts thinking; you are holding your breath. Your life will transform the moment you start playing with this for real. Regarding the whole there is no thought from the mind that makes sense.

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Eat and speak. Think and sing. Walk and watch.

Like the leafs movement in the crown of a tree all human activities have the same root.

No expeted activity of a leaf makes a leaf more a tree.

All information is channelled. (:

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In the Flow...there is only Unity....yet many individuals ...diverse and free..... who have no more need for information....no matter where it came from.....information enslaves and is the foundation of the HMS....which no longer exists.....all information is channeled.... from a higher resonance ....who cares.......for only when you buy being sick...and being afraid...is it "useful".


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Regard wholeness first....then what follows will be made whole.

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Consider this. Please try it out. Write something. Write down one thought. And take something simple. Then listen for it. Contemplate how your thoughts sound. Everyone can do this. The mind is always a monologue. It’s an energy field placed there. And that is not really to be answered. Breathe and listen. Your own voice is different. You want an answer. This is not convincing others. This is listening. And when you really listen, your mind is empty. You are only listening and breathing. The mind is not struggling. Do not take something to say next, but listen for what you have written. There are a thousand things you could let follow. Let it go in emptiness.

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You have started this thread with WMM not an e-paper. The ability to work with and be part of a group is seeing the foundation of the work to be done. At our core we are more than nothing, and nothing is a metaphysical rendering of MOTE as James says in his Q & A's. Our center is First Source, therefore it is, to get in touch with First Source we need to find our tools and use them every minute of the day.

The great website of Stanford has a whole section on this subject and I have given its address below.

The e-papers of the Energetic Heart, The Art of the Genuine, Living From the Heart, The When-Which-How Guide, The Rising Heart, The Living Truth and I may have missed one. Should be our focus in this section of the Forum.

[url]plato.stanford.edu/entries/nothingness/[/url]
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11. Existential aspects of nothingness

After a mystical experience in 1654, Blaise Pascal's interest in nothingness passed from its significance to science to the significance of nothingness to the human condition. Pascal thinks human beings have a unique perspective on their finitude. His Pensees is a roller coaster ride surveying the human lot. Pascal elevates us to the level of angels by exalting in our grasp of the infinite, and then runs us down below the beasts for wittingly choosing evil over goodness. From this valley of depravity Pascal takes us up again by marveling at how human beings tower over the microscopic kingdom, only to plunge us down toward insignificance by having us dwell on the vastness of space, and the immensity of eternity.

He who regards himself in this light will be afraid of himself, and observing himself sustained in the body given him by nature between those two abysses of the Infinite and Nothing, will tremble at the sight of these marvels; and I think that, as his curiosity changes into admiration, he will be more disposed to contemplate them in silence than to examine them with presumption.
For in fact what is man in nature? A Nothing in comparison with the Infinite, an All in comparison with the Nothing, a mean between nothing and everything. Since he is infinitely removed from comprehending the extremes, the end of things and their beginning are hopelessly hidden from him in an impenetrable secret; he is equally incapable of seeing the Nothing from which he was made, and the Infinite in which he is swallowed up. (Pensees sect. II, 72)

Pascal's association of nothingness with insignificance and meaninglessness presages themes popularized by existentialists after World War II.

There are other important precursors. In The Concept of Dread, Soren Kierkegaard (1844) claims that nothingness wells up into our awareness through moods and emotions. Emotions are intentional states; they are directed toward something. If angered, I am angry at something. If amused, there is something I find amusing. Free floating anxiety is often cited as a counterexample. But Kierkegaard says that in this case the emotion is directed at nothingness.

According to Heidegger, we have several motives to shy away from the significance of our emotional encounters with nothingness. They are premonitions of the nothingness of death. They echo the groundlessness of human existence.

Some have hoped that our recognition of our rootlessness would rescue meaningfulness from the chaos of nothing. But Heidegger denies us such solace.

Heidegger does think freedom is rooted in nothingness. He also says we derive our concept of logical negation from this experience of nothing. This suggests a privileged perspective for human beings. We differ from animals with respect to nothing.


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The thing about nothing is that it is something. 8)

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In the stillness, purposelessness, and emptiness of you, everything exists. And yet, isn’t
this precisely what human beings fear most? In the absolute center of who you are, where
the void is, do you not fear this? Perhaps it would be accurate to say that this is the origin
of fear itself. An irony wouldn’t you say, that the Sovereign Integral, that which most
clearly defines you, is feared by you. Why do you suppose this is? Why would you fear
the void and emptiness that is you? Why would you refuse to look through the portal of
your human instrument and perceive without the mind in attendance?

This is precisely why human beings are addicted to spiritual propaganda. They fear the
still-point in which they exist because they have been programmed by their HMS, and
accepted it as truth: what is the void -- is but death and non-existence. Thus, they search
for the beautiful, the harmonious, the spiritual vistas of higher worlds, the descriptions of
peace and love, angelic presences, the experience of oneness and beauty, but they do not
want to go through the gateway of emptiness to get there because emptiness is death and
non-existence of the mind. And the mind is what they have come to believe is them.

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But your mind will do all that it can without stopping to keep you from this most simple state of being breathing and listening. It will twist logic, it will run in all directions for something, it will pretend to be still, it will persuade you by “common sense” or try to seduce you, but it won’t disappear. It is your job. You are, for the time being, a scientist and considering this proposition of truly observing objectively. And that’s all we have here. One identity. Now from this reality I'm writing the only right thing to write. There is no doubt for different possibilities that might be better or lead the way we prefer to arrive at a certain point. There is only the void where seeing is doing and thinking is premature. Afterwards and before we can think. But this is our experiment. This means that all our expression from our body or human instrument, if you want to call it that, is to be the utter natural outcome from what is, First Point included.

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The emptiness that's experienced is the mind becoming still after it has aligned with the directives of the WN... "empty of illusion – the deceptions and separations of the Human Mind System.....(JI-PC) The ego-mind dominance surrenders to the directives of the WN....."the backdoor" out of the HMS is put to use.

The stillness and transparency is the condition of the mind freed from the suppression of the HMS....freed from the illusion of separation from FS. The entity remembers its wholeness......the identity and purpose of the entity shifts from the ego-mind dominance of the separated-self to the wholeness/oneness/equality of the One Being....the SI consciousness both encompasses and transcends the HMS prison.

An open mind is empty of motive....it is simply waiting and receiving all that is.
What responds, what expresses is not the mind, but the wholeness of the entity, and its wisdom is our true wisdom.

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ROOTED IN NOTHINGNESS WE ARE EXPLORING TOGETHER FOREVER
The nothing is existential, but it is only my personal consciousness that is nothing. The nothing is not some negative entity that must breed fear. It is only emptiness of illusion. We all know that, but we refuse to face it and that is how the nothing seems to breed fear, but then we are not nothing, and we are doing it ourselves, for fear was part of us. The nothing is not a thing. It is an absence of you or me. That’s all it may be.

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