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Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:57 pm ]
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Please keep in mind that the book was published in 1973 and it is even more pertinent today than ever and a lot has come from this since. :wink:

The Secret Lives of Plants the movie. The book is by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. An excerpt from the book,

"Plants are even sentient to orientation and and to the future. Frontiersmen and hunters in the prairies of the Mississippi Valley discovered a sunflower plant, Silphium laciniatum, whose leaves accurately indicate the points of the compass. Indian licorice, or Arbrus precatorius, is so keenly sensitive to all forms of electrical and magnetic influences it is used as a weather plant. Botanists who first experimented with it in London's Kew Gardens found in it a means for predicting cyclones, hurricanes,tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.

So accurate are alpine flowers about the seasons, that they know when Spring is coming and bore their way up through the lingering snowbanks, developing their own heat with which to melt the snow.

Plants which react so certainly, so variously, and so promptly to the outer world, must says France, have some means of communicating with the outer world , something comparable or superior to our senses. France insists that plants are constantly observing and recording events and phenomena of which man-trapped in his anthropocentric view of the world, subjectively revealed to him through his five senses-knows nothing.

Whereas plants have been almost universally looked upon as senseless automata, they have now been found to be able to distinguish between inaudible to the human ear and color wavelengths such as infrared and ultraviolet, invisible to the human eye; they are especially sensitive to X-rays and to the high frequency of television.

The whole vegetal world, says France, lives responsive to the movement of the earth and its satellite moon, to the movement of the other planets of our solar system, and one day will be shown to be affected by the stars and other cosmic bodies in the universe.

As the external form of the plant is kept a unit and restored whenever part of it is destroyed, France assumes there must be some conscious entity supervising the entire form, some intelligence directing the plant, either from within, or from without.

Over half a century ago France, who believed plants to be possessed of all the attributes of living creatures including "the most violent reaction against abuse and the most ardent gratitude for favors, could of written a Secret Life of Plants, but what he had already put into print was either ignored by the establishment or considered heretically shocking. What shocked them the most was his suggestion that the awareness of plants might originate in a supramaterial world of cosmic beings to which long before the birth of Christ, the Hindu sages referred as "devas", and which , as fairies , elves, gnomes. slphs and a host of other creatures , were a matter of direct vision and experience to clairvoyants among the Celts and other sensitives.The idea was considered by vegetal scientists to be as charmingly jejune as it was hopelessly romantic.

It has taken the startling discoveries of several scientific minds in the 1960's to bring the plant world sharply back to the attention of mankind. Even so there are skeptics who find it hard to believe that plants may at last be the bridesmaids at a marriage of physics and metaphysics.

Evidence now supports the vision of the poet and the philosopher that plants are living, breathing, communicating creatures, endowed with personality and the attributes of soul. It is only we, in our blindness, who have insisted on considering them automata. Most extraordinary, it now appears that plants may be ready, willing and able to cooperate with humanity in the Herculean job of turning this planet into a garden from the squalor and corruption of what England's pioneer ecologist William Corbbett would call a "wen."


Secret Life of Plants Pt 1 ... re=related

Secret Life of Plants Pt 2 ... re=related

Secret Life of Plants Pt 3 ... re=related

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Secret Life of Plants Pt 7 ... re=related

Secret Life of Plants Pt 8 ... re=related

Secret Life of Plants Pt 9 ... re=related

Secret Life of Plants Pt 10 ... re=related


Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:31 pm ]
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More from Cleve Backster mentioned in the Secret Life of Plants about biocommunication with plants on Coast to Coast with George Noory.

Primary Perception, Biocommunication with Plants, Living Foods, and Human Cells, (he also works with HeartMath)

Pt 1 ... re=related
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Pt 12 ... re=related

His website:

interesting links page:

Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:52 pm ]
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I have to have Masaru Emoto and all he's done with water too.
His website:

Our INTENT for our lives and how we effect ALL life around us is crucial for us to know. It will protect us because it empowers us and it will be beneficial to all LIFE ON EARTH aligned with it and we discover so much more than we ever realized as being ALIVE and CONSCIOUS like us. WE have no war with nature and earth and for those who do it starts with consciousness and it will end there too when they realize they don't have conscious control over those who have decided to exercise their own in what they will and will not allow. If we don't do this in consciousness first there is no point in talking about sustainability and being able to maintain such for very long. It's taking a stand and saying NO MORE to the fear mongers and NO MORE to those who think they have a right to control us and deliberately if not wantonly destroy life on this planet including water.

Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:07 pm ]
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Message from Masaru. Emoto:


This is a slide that I show at my lectures all over the world. Most of the concepts I seek to share with people are contained within this slide, so I would now like to explain the things I am saying with this slide.

First, "Upper Class" indicates "King", an absolute monarchy both in old times and today. These are the capitalists, politicians, and scientists, who make up the system of power in the world. "Fire" indicates the material world and "Water" represents the spiritual world. Of course, "Public" means the general population. If the information that human beings are capable of knowing is 100%, then according to this slide currently the information we actually do know is only very small, as represented by the top portion of the iceberg.

I am telling people the percentage of information we actually know is currently only about 3%. The genetic scientist from the University of Tsukuba, Japan, Prof. Kazuo Murakami explains this concept in his book, Divine Code of Life. He states in his book that the activation level of our DNA is currently around 3%. I am thinking along similar lines as Prof. Murakami.

I am thinking the other unrevealed 97% is contained in Hado and water.

Most of the things in the material world have been elucidated by the efforts of excellent capitalists or scientists. But the rest of the information out there, the 97% we don't know yet, I believe is found in Hado and water. The general population now needs to begin an investigation of this new area of information.

A new "field" has to be established to elucidate these two things, and the creation of this field has to be through the people's collective efforts.

It might be difficult to believe that the thinking level of humans can only be around 3% in this present age when we are living in a seemingly ultimate scientific civilization. However, if we think about our history in terms of the following example, you will begin to understand why this is so.

The birth of the earth is said to be four thousand six hundred million years (4,600,000,000 years) ago, and the birth of human beings is said to be four million years (4,000,000 years) ago. Therefore, if we suppose the history of the earth is one year, the birth of human beings would be sometime on Dec 31st. Looking at the world in this way, we can say that the age of human beings is still very, very young. We are all still infants in the history of the earth.

Let's now suppose that the four million years of human history is just one year, and think about where the position of 20th century is contained in that one year? Everyone would agree that we had an amazingly huge improvement in our scientific civilization during the last 100 years. But actually, it was only a 3% improvement because we have still only activated 3% of our DNA. This means we currently only use 3% of what the creator created in us. You might wonder why human beings are still at this 3% level, even though we have already had four million years of history, but we really should not complain about this. I think we should rather show our gratitude to those ancient people who worked very hard for human beings to survive and advance. I know there have been a lot of fearful things and sacrifices in the past, but when we think about how our life is now convenient when compared with the past, you can understand what I am trying to say. So let's give our gratitude to all of the capitalists, scientists, and politicians. In other words, let's affirm everything. With that in our mind, human beings must now begin on a journey to discover the rest of the 97% of DNA and information. In this 21st century we need to work to further build our culture, art and knowledge on shoulders of the foundation already laid down by our many advances in technology and science.

This new journey will be very exiting, full of fun, and the true charm of mankind can now begin to emerge. As I said before, the keywords here are Hado and water.

This e-Hado magazine is a community bulletin for all the 21st century people of the world who resonate with this new way of thinking. I would like to ask you to join us on this journey by sending in your ideas, and exchanging information with us. Let’s unite through our collective works, and work together to create a peaceful world with no wars for future generations. Please also ask your friends to join with us too.

With love and thanks,
Masaru Emoto

I find this man so refreshing , he reminds me of a brilliant child. I love his gentle, sweet,spirit.

Water Crystal of the month having been exposed to a picture of a Cherry Blossom.


Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:41 pm ]
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Revolutionary New Discoveries About Water on Coast to Coast with George Noory interviewing David Sereda.

Pt 1 ... re=related
Pt 2
Pt 3
Pt 5
Pt 6 ... annel_page
Pt 7 ... annel_page
Pt 8 ... annel_page
Pt 9 ... annel_page
Pt 10 ... annel_page
Pt 11 ... annel_page
Pt 12 ... annel_page

Just to reinforce how powerful our intent is for our empowerment and how it effects our environment and how our environment's intent effects us. It's a 2 way transaction. :wink:

Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:03 pm ]
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It's astonishing how interconnected we all are as a Species. I understand why Lyricus says that the plants, animals and all life on this planet is seen as ONE. So its not just us humans, without the other lifeforms and consciousnesses we would never survive. They were here before we were so obviously don't need us. However, before the HMS, no doubt, it was very different than what being in the HMS has done to all life on this planet. Being in the HMS and tethered to its creators and now to those who have taken over has devastated the planet. They too are programmed if not more than we are and that is our saving grace in transcending them and stopping the madness. :wink:

Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:46 pm ]
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Pioneering a New Vision
of Man and Nature in
The Findhorn Community

I read about this years ago and it changed my view on a lot of things and I grew my first garden with the ideas of consciously interacting with plants and nature and it grew from there. Again, we are powerful with our INTENT and it shows in our environment. How about being conscious of it and using it in conjunction with nature despite whatever is going on in the news. To be aligned with nature is that much more important now then ever.

"We gladly come to draw all of you into a new vision, for
an expanded consciousness is dawning upon all humanity
like the light of the sunrise falling on closed eyes.
Open your eyes and experience the freedom of joy."
The Devas ... part1.html


Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:46 pm ]
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Viktor Schauberger gave us so much about the nature of the nature of water and what is required to keep it pure and dynamic in our environment not to speak about all the other mysteries of nature resolved through him observing and cooperating with nature.

Pt 1 ... L&index=35

Pt 2 ... L&index=36

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Pt 4 ... L&index=38

Pt 5: ... 7&index=39

Author:  starduster [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:15 pm ]
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I doubt there were seven billion people on earth before the HMS too... I read where the entire population of the planet could fit in the state of Texas with 10x 10 sq ft per person...LOL ... again it isn't the quanity, but the quality of life that make a difference. There is no doubt in my mind that if we were all crammed into Texas (god forbid) that we would quickly pool our space allotments by building vertically all along the coast line...leaving the wide open spaces empty...while we all expose ourselves to the next cat 5 hurricane ... :?

I used to buy Kabbalaha water...which was glacier water blessed by rabis who had red-stings wrapped around their wrists that were exposed to the frequencies of Rachel's tomb and the chants of the Ana cost four times what "dead" water cost, and I figured it was worth it because we are 80% water... Now after reading about dr Emoto's research (some years ago), I just bless my own cheap bottled water as soon as it enters my home and never give my mind a minutes' worry about if what I am consuming is dead or alive... tee hee...that's what I consider creative thinking.

being aware of who we are and how interconnected we are has so many advantages, I can understand why "resisting awareness" is considered the only "evil" ... our responsibility to ourselves is only the beginning of a chain of events that affects the entire planet... if we took that responsibility seriously we wouldn't be raping and plundering the Earth's resources...there is plenty for all, if we shared. Our economy is just a reflection of what happens when all the money is held by a very greedy few...who think they can own the Planet...we are going backwards...more fragmented than ever by the illusion of ownership

what if you could just leave it all behind except what you could carry and live anywhere... would you? That is how this nation was established... by self sustained people with by their wits, in harmony with nature.

Author:  Shayalana [ Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:48 pm ]
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The point of all of this research is that Peter Tompkins, Christopher Bird, Cleve Backster, Marasu Emoto, Findhorn, and Viktor Schauberger all had/have a passionate love and respect for the Earth and Nature and because of that INTENT and cooperation with nature were able to discover and use what they learned and give it to the rest of the world. It just goes to show how powerful INTENT is and how wonderful that these generous and giving and caring people gave us what they did showing us what powerful INTENT can do despite the TPTB. That we can learn from it still shows that somethings cannot be silenced and some things never die. It's a 2 way transaction and earth and nature do take care of their own who are aligned and cooperating with them. I'll go with that as I know of a few others with the same INTENT are too. Now is our time. Plant those gardens and observe and interact with all of what enhances the growth of them and be in wonder... Earth and nature want our interaction and cooperation and and that we are empowered too... :wink:

Nothing is impossible except that the state of your mind makes it so.

Professor John R.R. Searl

Author:  Susaaana [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:40 pm ]
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In line with the topic of this thread.
Have you guys checked out the Transition Town Movement? One of the reasons I find little time to participate in this forum is because of my involvement with this network. It emcompasses most of the things you've been linking to, and now in its fourth year here in the UK, is doing the 'viral spread' thing around the world, including US. (background info) (links to the wki pages of all the officially recognised towns, villages, neighbourhoods etc)

with Love

Author:  Susaaana [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:44 pm ]
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Whoops - wrong web address for Transition US. It's

Author:  Shayalana [ Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:52 pm ]
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Susaaana wrote:
Whoops - wrong web address for Transition US. It's

Thanx Susana!!! This looks really interesting I'll check it out when I get home later.

Author:  Shayalana [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:05 pm ]
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New Survival Seed Bank Lets You Plant A Full Acre Crisis Garden!

Author:  Shayalana [ Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:06 pm ]
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WATCH: Eat the Suburbs: Peak Oil and Permablitz Gardening

Image ... gardening/

Author:  Shayalana [ Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:05 pm ]
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I so appreciate how balanced this mans perspective is if not inspiring too. We could all do with a little of that. :D

You are Brilliant, and the Earth is Hiring

The Unforgettable Commencement Address to the
Class of 2009, University of Portland, by Paul Hawken

When I was invited to give this speech, I was asked if I
could give a simple short talk that was "direct, naked,
taut, honest, passionate, lean, shivering, startling, and
graceful." No pressure there.

Let's begin with the startling part. Class of 2009: you are
going to have to figure out what it means to be a human
being on earth at a time when every living system is
declining, and the rate of decline is accelerating. Kind of
a mind-boggling situation... but not one peer-reviewed paper
published in the last thirty years can refute that statement.
Basically, civilization needs a new operating system, you
are the programmers, and we need it within a few decades.

This planet came with a set of instructions, but we seem to
have misplaced them. Important rules like don't poison the
water, soil, or air, don't let the earth get overcrowded,
and don't touch the thermostat have been broken. Buckminster
Fuller said that spaceship earth was so ingeniously designed
that no one has a clue that we are on one, flying through
the universe at a million miles per hour, with no need for
seatbelts, lots of room in coach, and really good food ---
but all that is changing.

There is invisible writing on the back of the diploma you
will receive, and in case you didn't bring lemon juice to
decode it, I can tell you what it says: You are Brilliant,
and the Earth is Hiring. The earth couldn't afford to send
recruiters or limos to your school. It sent you rain,
sunsets, ripe cherries, night blooming jasmine, and that
unbelievably cute person you are dating. Take the hint. And
here's the deal: Forget that this task of planet-saving is
not possible in the time required. Don't be put off by
people who know what is not possible. Do what needs to
be done, and check to see if it was impossible only after
you are done.

When asked if I am pessimistic or optimistic about the
future, my answer is always the same: If you look at the
science about what is happening on earth and aren't
pessimistic, you don't understand the data. But if you meet
the people who are working to restore this earth and the
lives of the poor, and you aren't optimistic, you haven't
got a pulse. What I see everywhere in the world are ordinary
people willing to confront despair, power, and incalculable
odds in order to restore some semblance of grace, justice,
and beauty to this world. The poet Adrienne Rich wrote,
"So much has been destroyed I have cast my lot with those
who, age after age, perversely, with no extraordinary power,
reconstitute the world."

There could be no better description. Humanity is
coalescing. It is reconstituting the world, and the action
is taking place in schoolrooms, farms, jungles, villages,
campuses, companies, refuge camps, deserts, fisheries,
and slums.

You join a multitude of caring people. No one knows how many
groups and organizations are working on the most salient
issues of our day: climate change, poverty, deforestation,
peace, water, hunger, conservation, human rights, and more.
This is the largest movement the world has ever seen. Rather
than control, it seeks connection. Rather than dominance, it
strives to disperse concentrations of power. Like Mercy
Corps, it works behind the scenes and gets the job done.
Large as it is, no one knows the true size of this movement.
It provides hope, support, and meaning to billions of people
in the world. Its clout resides in idea, not in force. It is
made up of teachers, children, peasants, businesspeople,
rappers, organic farmers, nuns, artists, government workers,
fisherfolk, engineers, students, incorrigible writers,
weeping Muslims, concerned mothers, poets, doctors without
borders, grieving Christians, street musicians, the
President of the United States of America, and as the writer
David James Duncan would say, the Creator, the One who
loves us all in such a huge way.

There is a rabbinical teaching that says if the world is
ending and the Messiah arrives, first plant a tree, and then
see if the story is true. Inspiration is not garnered from
the litanies of what may befall us; it resides in humanity's
willingness to restore, redress, reform, rebuild, recover,
reimagine, and reconsider. "One day you finally knew what
you had to do, and began, though the voices around you kept
shouting their bad advice," is Mary Oliver's description of
moving away from the profane toward a deep sense of
connectedness to the living world.

Millions of people are working on behalf of strangers, even
if the evening news is usually about the death of strangers.
This kindness of strangers has religious, even mythic
origins, and very specific eighteenth-century roots.
Abolitionists were the first people to create a national and
global movement to defend the rights of those they did not
know. Until that time, no group had filed a grievance except
on behalf of itself. The founders of this movement were
largely unknown -- Granville Sharp, Thomas Clarkson, Josiah
Wedgwood -- and their goal was ridiculous on the face of it:
at that time three out of four people in the world were
enslaved. Enslaving each other was what human beings had
done for ages. And the abolitionist movement was greeted
with incredulity. Conservative spokesmen ridiculed the
abolitionists as liberals, progressives, do-gooders,
meddlers, and activists. They were told they would ruin the
economy and drive England into poverty. But for the first
time in history a group of people organized themselves to
help people they would never know, from whom they would
never receive direct or indirect benefit. And today tens of
millions of people do this every day. It is called the world
of non-profits, civil society, schools, social entrepreneurship,
non-governmental organizations, and companies who place
social and environmental justice at the top of their strategic
goals. The scope and scale of this effort is unparalleled
in history.

The living world is not "out there" somewhere, but in your
heart. What do we know about life? In the words of biologist
Janine Benyus, life creates the conditions that are conducive
to life. I can think of no better motto for a future economy.
We have tens of thousands of abandoned homes without
people and tens of thousands of abandoned people
without homes. We have failed bankers advising failed
regulators on how to save failed assets. We are the only
species on the planet without full employment. Brilliant. We
have an economy that tells us that it is cheaper to destroy
earth in real time rather than renew, restore, and sustain
it. You can print money to bail out a bank but you can't
print life to bail out a planet. At present we are stealing
the future, selling it in the present, and calling it gross
domestic product. We can just as easily have an economy
that is based on healing the future instead of stealing it.
We can either create assets for the future or take the
assets of the future. One is called restoration and the other
exploitation. And whenever we exploit the earth we exploit
people and cause untold suffering. Working for the earth
is not a way to get rich, it is a way to be rich.

The first living cell came into being nearly 40 million
centuries ago, and its direct descendants are in all of our
bloodstreams. Literally you are breathing molecules this
very second that were inhaled by Moses, Mother Teresa,
and Bono. We are vastly interconnected. Our fates are
inseparable. We are here because the dream of every cell is
to become two cells. And dreams come true. In each of you
are one quadrillion cells, 90 percent of which are not human
cells. Your body is a community, and without those other
microorganisms you would perish in hours. Each human cell
has 400 billion molecules conducting millions of processes
between trillions of atoms. The total cellular activity in
one human body is staggering: one septillion actions at any
one moment, a one with twenty-four zeros after it. In a
millisecond, our body has undergone ten times more processes
than there are stars in the universe, which is exactly what
Charles Darwin foretold when he said science would discover
that each living creature was a "little universe, formed of
a host of self-propagating organisms, inconceivably minute
and as numerous as the stars of heaven."

So I have two questions for you all: First, can you feel
your body? Stop for a moment. Feel your body. One septillion
activities going on simultaneously, and your body does this
so well you are free to ignore it, and wonder instead when
this speech will end. You can feel it. It is called life.
This is who you are. Second question: who is in charge of
your body? Who is managing those molecules? Hopefully not
a political party. Life is creating the conditions that are
conducive to life inside you, just as in all of nature. Our
innate nature is to create the conditions that are conducive
to life. What I want you to imagine is that collectively
humanity is evincing a deep innate wisdom in coming
together to heal the wounds and insults of the past.

Ralph Waldo Emerson once asked what we would do if the stars
only came out once every thousand years. No one would sleep
that night, of course. The world would create new religions
overnight. We would be ecstatic, delirious, made rapturous
by the glory of God. Instead, the stars come out every night
and we watch television.

This extraordinary time when we are globally aware of each
other and the multiple dangers that threaten civilization
has never happened, not in a thousand years, not in ten
thousand years. Each of us is as complex and beautiful as
all the stars in the universe. We have done great things and
we have gone way off course in terms of honoring creation.
You are graduating to the most amazing, stupefying challenge
ever bequeathed to any generation. The generations before
you failed. They didn't stay up all night. They got distracted
and lost sight of the fact that life is a miracle every moment
of your existence. Nature beckons you to be on her side.
You couldn't ask for a better boss.

The most unrealistic person in the world is the cynic, not
the dreamer. Hope only makes sense when it doesn't make
sense to be hopeful. This is your century. Take it and run
as if your life depends on it.

Paul Hawken is a renowned entrepreneur, visionary
environmental activist, and author of many books, most
recently Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the
World Came into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming. He was
presented with an honorary doctorate of humane letters by
University president Father Bill Beauchamp, C.S.C., in May,
when he delivered this superb speech. Our thanks especially
to Erica Linson for her help making that moment possible. ... .03.09.pdf

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Author:  Shayalana [ Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:23 pm ]
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This is the thread I was referring too star and it seems you have a lot of company in what you are doing. Good on ya all!!! Interesting because a guy was here to install some new cable for me for internet and we got talking. He's interested in getting together with people who want to do things like this so as to network with each other. We exchanged emails and will start a blog and do things with others locally. This way we can depend on each other and exchange with each other and not have to depend on the big corps for what we can supply ourselves, especially in food and knowing where it comes from and that it is pure. Yes!!!!!! :wink:

Author:  starduster [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:36 pm ]
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well, I don't know if I have company here in the forum, but apparently some (like us) have grown (outdoor) gardens in the past ...and are inspired not only by the wonderful taste of organic and heirloom veggies ... but are concerned about what is being sold in the grocery stores as vegetables (even the ones labled "organic") ... and how many hands it passes through before these cheap knock offs reach our table without any nutritional value ... we might as well draw and cut out pics of vegs and eat them. While I am not happy about what inspires most of them (survival) I am pleased to see this return to a more Natural way of life. Gardening will give all the unemployed something very worthwhile to do and lessen their feelings of worthlessness

After reading that the guy (26 yr old) who created facebook (Time's Man of the Year), and the third largest city in the world, and being aware that his "farm" game is the most popular form of entertainment for his citizens, it is evident that people do recognize the value of home food production and how it is profitable ... all I am trying to do is demonstrate how simple it is ... sure the start-up costs are somewhat prohibitive, but I have seen gardens start in milk cartons and plastic cups that would otherwise be thrown away ... and with the exception of the lights, which probably equal what you would spend in the market for imitation (Franken)veggies and can be reused year after year. One more "issue" (Monsanto) that you can put out of your mind.

Having the garden protected from Chemtrails is another issue you can put to rest, knowing that your plants are covered and not being saturated by Aluminum and radio-active Barium ... picked by people who use the fields as toilets and may be spreading toxic germs on the the trusting public... not to forget how many people handle them in their process from hotbed to market ... you won't have to worry about "recalls" or supplementing your diet with expensive vitamins and minerals because you will be getting them in your food and you will find you eat less because your body's needs are being filled.

As you say, there are many people who would love to co-op small farms ... that could go on to include free range chickens and non medicated livestock. I have also done this before, with members of a church, who offered land and water in return for veggies we pooled our money for chickens and bought a milk cow that we took turns milking ... it is really great fun to garden with other families and having a pantry full of food that you produced brings a great sense of satisfaction ... and again eases your mind

but what I find gives me the most pleasure, is just watching things grow ... the AWE of it all - inspires a deep sense of appreciation for what we ARE (a part of) and how intimately we are integrated. Knowing that it all balances on "breath" (what we breathe out, plants breathe in - recycle and return as oxygen) ... and KNOWing that nothing wasted ...and everything is appreciated equally and with gratitude as we project the HVs into the circle of Life.

Author:  starduster [ Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:12 pm ]
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I assume that you are aware that the US gov has passed a law that will drastically limit home food production ... that they are working on making Vitamins "controlled substances" but that appears only as the tip of the iceberg that threatens humanity's "ship of state" ... they are slowly working toward fining us for exhaling :

EPA Declares Human Breath A Pollutant

The EPA on April 17 proposed new regulations to control carbon dioxide (CO2) and five other “greenhouse gases” as “pollutants” under section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act. While not mentioning what aspects of carbon-dioxide emissions will be regulated, the carbon dioxide emitted from automobiles and power plants is definitely on the regulation block. The first step toward costly and far-reaching regulations is that the EPA establish carbon dioxide as a regulatory “pollutant,” even though all plants need carbon dioxide for photosynthesis and all animals exhale carbon dioxide.

In fact, about 8 percent of man-made worldwide carbon dioxide emissions are due to simple human breathing. The EPA says they do not want to regulate this activity … for now. But there's no chemical difference between CO2 emitted from a gasoline engine and that emitted from a human lung.

more here -

another "leak" reveals that the EPA was aware that the chemicals they reccomend are endangering our production of food on its most elementary level:

The world honey bee population has plunged in recent years, worrying beekeepers and farmers who know how critical bee pollination is for many crops. A number of theories have popped up as to why the North American honey bee population has declined--electromagnetic radiation, malnutrition, and climate change have all been pinpointed. Now a leaked EPA document reveals that the agency allowed the widespread use of a bee-toxic pesticide, despite warnings from EPA scientists.

The document, which was leaked to a Colorado beekeeper, shows that the EPA has ignored warnings about the use of clothianidin, a pesticide produced by Bayer that mainly is used to pre-treat corn seeds. The pesticide scooped up $262 million in sales in 2009 by farmers, who also use the substance on canola, soy, sugar beets, sunflowers, and wheat, according to Grist.

The leaked document (PDF) was put out in response to Bayer's request to approve use of the pesticide on cotton and mustard. The document invalidates a prior Bayer study that justified the registration of clothianidin on the basis of its safety to honeybees:

Clothianidin’s major risk concern is to nontarget insects (that is, honey bees). Clothianidin is a neonicotinoid insecticide that is both persistent and systemic. Acute toxicity studies to honey bees show that clothianidin is highly toxic on both a contact and an oral basis. Although EFED does not conduct RQ based risk assessments on non-target insects, information from standard tests and field studies, as well as incident reports involving other neonicotinoids insecticides (e.g., imidacloprid) suggest the potential for long-term toxic risk to honey bees and other beneficial insects.

more here -

updated (article above)

Beekeeper Who Leaked EPA Documents: "I Don't Think We Can Survive This Winter"


Now the stakes are higher than ever. Tom Theobald's honey crop this year is the smallest he's seen in 35 years of beekeeping. "This is the critical winter for the beekeeping industry. I don't think we can survive," he says. "If the beekeeping industry collapses, it jeopardizes a third of American agriculture."

That's because the giant agriculture industry couldn't produce nearly as much with native bee pollinators alone; instead, the industry relies on beekeepers, who rent out their bees to pollinate everything from strawberries and blueberries to squash and cucumbers.

As of today, the EPA has no plans to ban clothianidin in the U.S. Theobald hopes that all the press surrounding the issue will trigger the agency to change its mind. It has to, he says. "The EPA management needs to step forward, face the music, take its lumps and do things right. If they continue to try to bury this, they're going to look more pathetic than they do already."

more here:

Author:  Shayalana [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 9:59 pm ]
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For those so a more linear view of things...

The Underground Shelter Network for Long-Term Survival of Future Catastrophes ... r_embedded

People around the world are sensing that a global life-changing event is just ahead. Vivos is the life assurance solution for you and your family to survive the next devastating catastrophe that either nature or mankind may create. Our nuclear blast-proof shelters will provide you with up to one-year of autonomous underground survival, and a secure base to restart thereafter. Join our community of members with a boarding pass for space in a Vivos turnkey shelter.

Author:  starduster [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:21 pm ]
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25,000 per person, for a reservation ... if you meet their criteria

Vivos is a private network of survival shelters accessible only to its co-owners. Co-ownership of a Vivos shelter is priced from just $25,000* per person. To be considered as a co-owner, you must first become a member of Vivos. The Vivos Selection Committee evaluates each member applicant's profile for determination and candidacy of their membership.

Vivos then selects the best candidates for co-ownership of each shelter from the current pool of active members. We first look for those individuals who may best contribute to each Vivos shelter community, providing the greatest chance of long-term survival of the entire group. Each co-ownership candidate is reviewed based on a number of criteria.

As final candidates are selected, they are extended an invitation to purchase an interest in a specific Vivos shelter closest to their home area. Those selected candidates are then provided a reservation agreement to reserve their space in a specific Vivos shelter.

Once a critical mass of reservations is received for each Vivos shelter, members holding a reservation then proceed to purchase their co-ownership interest. Escrow is then opened, construction and turnkey outfitting of their shelter is completed, escrow closes, and each owner is provided their co-ownership interest.

* Effective March 15, 2011 Vivos will be priced on the Gold Standard.

Author:  Shayalana [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:22 pm ]
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Jesse Ventura - Secret Underground 2012 Base at Denver Airport

Question 16 from Project Camelot: What do you know about how successful the Powers-that-Be will be in surviving a pole shift or cataclysm in the underground bases that they have built for this purpose?

Answer 16 from James:
The underground bases that exist are not immune to the changes. If Earth/Nature wants all of humanity to feel this compression of the quantum worlds with the manifest worlds, there will be no place to avoid it. Earthquakes and floods, to take two examples, can damage underground installations as well if not better
than they can damage above ground. Those who believe they can manipulate Earth/Nature without consequence will learn otherwise.


Author:  Shayalana [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:32 pm ]
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This is a brilliant and very wise child...

"The Girl Who Silenced The World For 5 Minutes" ... re=related

Author:  Garfed [ Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:41 am ]
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I love the dome, and in 2 of them live. Energy is good, very calm and tranquility I know how they help plants grow, because the energy of the dome is so plants.Thank you starduster energy alignment! : D You can also create their own so much less tendency....

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Author:  Shayalana [ Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:59 pm ]
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Check this out its an idea for what one can do on their farm or acerage and engage others in a learning of that way of life if not procure an income in doing so. Permaculture is such an ancient science i love it. :D

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