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 Post subject: Sustainability and Cultural Creatives
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:31 pm 
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This thread is about things we can do and are being done for those interested in being Sovereign and no longer supporting a dying system of slavery, the old paradigm.This is for those willing to work with others and put their focus on building sustainable communities aligned with the earth and nature and ongoing Life itself and let the old die like it should and not waste any more attention on it.

It's already being done when said it was impossible to do and instead of being distracted by the nay sayers these guys went into a desert and brought it back to life. They were focused and they knew it could be done despite what all others said or thought....now are there any real excuses not to realize ones dreams? I think not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohI6vnWZmk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPrfNVzD ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0H7V6d ... re=related

Now here in North America, what we have allowed to happen and what WE can do about it, yes, a solution that is to the benefit of all involved such as earth and nature people and animals and everyone profits and not in the old paradigm way...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqNBeSp1 ... re=related

How and why to grow your own food...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5YCrqXf ... re=related

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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Like I said and some already know this its already being done. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw7mQZHfFVE&NR=1

For you mountian folk...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3iGa539a4M&NR=1

City folks some info about raised beds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF4qCsgR ... re=related

or those who are resourceful...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gymon3XD ... re=related

Now this would be novel for some but well worth the try. I lived completely off the grid in the raws of nature for 4 1/2 years. No cell phone or computer either. I loved it. Coming back to the city was quite a difficult adjustment and i still haven't completely gotten used to it. Anyway, this is worth a try just for the realizations...and how active one can become . :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6KlTJTD ... re=channel

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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I don't know how long I'll be doing this thread because what is required here for this to work is ACTION. And when you don't see me posting here anymore you will know that I am DOING instead of just talking about it. This is the first stage for me as I plan. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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Aquaculture...for you mountian people and others ... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFQUKQVw ... re=related

raised beds in the city...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBcQfxdp ... re=related

Square foot gardening...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSskFxT ... re=related

Backyard farming...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddjA5WW1 ... re=related

Community Supported Agriculture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUBf_a3EtQU&NR=1

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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Backyard Agriculture as a business...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIUfeKt_ ... re=channel

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Building a Local Food Economy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tINy06Nx ... re=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MJUOGtF ... re=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw-MoIbV ... re=channel

This is so good to know is happening despite the blackout by the media concerning it and we can all participate if we want too... Ken Meter is living his dream and never gave up on it. What is so lovely is that it involves the well being of so many and that realizing our dreams is possible for those who keep at it... :wink:

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C.S.A Community Supported Agriculture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPh1S2bN ... re=related

Soil the Secret Solution to Global Warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pOBTogB ... re=related

Permaculture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI7nRoT1 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akj0_Osxdyg&NR=1




Food not Lawns:No Lawn left behind....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leQy1YnP ... re=related

Gotta love this guy....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ2cHSecNLA&NR=1
Follow your Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic7W7GwX ... re=related

Homegrown Revolution...Be the Change Live the Solution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCPEBM5o ... re=related

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How Much Food Can I Grow Around My House?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyVNAgrbQz4&NR=1

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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A 25 year Permaculture project....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW7LcNAY ... re=related

An Experiment in Back Yard Sustainability
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaPFt_a ... re=related

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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I have been researching, on and off, greenhouses, seems there are quite a few varieties ... We live in a neighborhood that frowns on gardens...mainly because you would have to build a rabbit proof fence around them and they aren't all that pretty... but a Greenhouse seems to be the answer... They have ones that are pretty and easily assembled, but the ones I think are the most practical are the ones that Solexx makes, that are fairly ugly (lol) because they are covered by a white plastic that diffuses the light. but they have three shelves built into their design, that makes a place where you could grow a full garden in an 8x8 enclosure... with your root plants on the bottom, bush types in the middle and tall tomatoes, cukes and melons on trellises on the top...no matter where you live, perhaps, year around for about $2500... guaranteed for eight years (or more) which would certainly pay for itself, when you can get enough seeds to grow all the veggies you'll ever need, indefinitely for about $50 bucks. If food becomes the "new money" as they keep threatening...this could be an investment that becomes the goose that lays golden eggs :wink: If you were to tripple your investment you could create a "cottage" business that may become a real advantage during a depression.

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this is the one I was considering... there are much cheaper ones, that are much prettier, but even that UV protected poly-glass will get way too hot ... in most areas...which defeats your whole purpose.

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these, called "snap and grow silver" are the cheapest ($699)... and assemble in a few hours... but you would have to cover them most of the time...and after buying that special cloth, the foundation and shelves, you have the same amount invested...the one advantage they have is that they have a drainage system that collects rain water...

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This is a pretty good website, that carries all the brand as well as seeds and composters etc, if you are interested, and they even have what they call "lean-to" green houses that make a sun room on a sliding glass door, and fit on the patio of an apartment: http://www.4seasongreenhouse.com/index.php

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The greenhouse design that interests me is the Growing Spaces LLC design manufactured in Pagosa Springs Co....In this solar heated design, not only can you grow food year round, you can also create beautiful living environments that support the health of the whole being.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B81CTgm1 ... annel_page


http://domegreenhouse.com/Larryjones.html


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http://domegreenhouse.com/Sanctuaryhouse.html

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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Good to hear from you seed and thanx!!! I love domes and have lived in 2 of them . The energy is wonderful, very calming and peaceful I understand how they help plants to grow because the the energy of the dome is so aligned with the energy of plants.Thank you starduster!!! :D You can also build them yourself for a lot less for those so inclined. I'm interested in coming together with people where I live and doing this. I already have a list of people to contact in my area through this website http://www.meetup.com/topics/ the topic I used was permaculture, however adding and sustainability will cover a wider range. What is really wonderful about this is that I realized there are more people here interested than I ever thought. It's still not a huge crowd but it's a place to start. I'm not an isolationist and perhaps this is a way that those "islands of consciousness" that James refers to will rise up. Regardless, to sit and wait and only discuss and talk about things is long past, now is time for action and here and now. I must take the initiative and reach out because everyone else is waiting for someone else to do it.I know I can help and love to do so. And I think its crucial to get together with others to do this and get the ball rolling now. Because the more people who grow there own the more money they save and rely on it less, the better they feel about themselves and in being more self responsible and the benefits from being so close to nature again are inestimable.Who knows where it will go from there? :wink: :D

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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seed you are a wonderful reminder of this topic. :wink: :lol: :lol: It's not to late to collect seeds because they are worth their weight in gold if not more than gold. You can't grow or eat gold. Try to find seeds that haven't been treated or hybrids that won't reproduce. Heirloom is one brand that are still pure there are others as well. In growing it is wise to always grow some plants for the seeds for the next planting season. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d68CHShkh_s

American Organic Seeds
Heirloom ...
http://www.vegetableseed.net/
http://www.vegetableseed.net/heirloom-v ... e-map.html
Other American Organic Seed Companies
http://www.espseeds.com/
http://www.groworganic.com/default.html
http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/
http://www.territorialseed.com/
http://www.snowseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/about/default.aspx



In Canada which I'm sure our American neighbors could access also...I just found out that due to American customs we can't ship seeds across the border. Wouldn't ya know it? Oh well there are a few websites I found for you in your country. It's always nice to know there is more than one. :D
http://www.certifiedorganic.bc.ca/rcbto ... -seeds.htm

http://www.bcseeds.org/dborganic.php
http://www.seeds-organic.com/
http://www.cottagegardener.com/
http://www.seedsanctuary.com/ This is an interesting website and so cool for all Canadians.
http://www.organic-seeds.ca/

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An ordinary man and so wise...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jabzxGER ... re=related

Soil needs....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wj4qWgn ... re=channel

Soil Amendments...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDZMuXI0 ... re=related

Making Compost...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySW_ZA5y ... re=channel

An inexpensive miniature green house you can build...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPQkFr9L ... re=related

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Scroll down to April 1st and enjoy the you-tube about Home-grown spaghetti. I saw this years ago and am glad to share it today. :wink: :mrgreen:

http://www.kitchengardeners.org/?gclid= ... awodARm9FA

and this is interesting to know about seeds in particular...
http://www.gene-watch.org/programs/food.html

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This is a reiteration on why it is so important to know where your food comes from. Is it pure or altered, and how was it grown or processed? This is especially for you people with allergies and for those who may be threatened with cancer. It may seem long but it is well worth the read.

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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
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The Council for Responsible Genetics

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Q. How many genetically engineered foods are on the market?

A. At least 35 varieties of genetically engineered crops have been registered with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and/or the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA).

Q. Isn't genetic engineering merely a minor extension of traditional breeding practices?

A. No. While farmers have used cross-breeding techniques to cultivate crop and animal species with desired characteristics, genetic engineering represents a radical departure from this practice. Cross-breeding can only occur within closely-related life forms. Genetic engineering allows scientists to cross the species barrier, mixing genetic material among of animals, plants and microorganism. The offspring of genetic engineering would never be found in nature. For example, fish genes have been placed in tomatoes, human genes in tobacco, bacteria in corn, and viruses in squash and fruit.

Q. Won’t genetically engineered foods cure world hunger?

A. No. Hunger is not caused by a global shortage of food. 800 million people suffer from malnutrition because they do not have access to the world’s abundance of food, they lack the money to buy it, and they lack the land to grow it. Private biotech corporations prevent small farmers from reusing their seeds, a traditional practice that provides food security for 1.4 billion people. Furthermore, since improvements on staples that feed the world’s poor such as cassava and potato do not have much potential for profit, the majority of genetically engineered crops are aimed at helping large-scale farmers in industrialized nations boost their yields and profits. Genetically engineered crops also reduce food security in the long run by decreasing biodiversity and increasing the use of ecologically damaging chemicals.

Q. Isn't genetic engineering a precise and predictable science?

A. No. Genes interact with each other and with their environment in ways that are complex and impossible to predict. Scientists cannot accurately predict how a foreign gene will be expressed in a new system. For example, splicing a gene for human growth hormone into mice produced very large mice, while splicing the same gene into pigs produced skinny, cross-eyed, arthritic animals. Splicing a foreign gene into an organism for a single desired effect may unintentionally cause unanticipated harmful effects within that organism. Dr. Ricarda Steinbrecher of the Women's Environmental Network writes about the unintended effects of genetic engineering, "Genes for the color red placed into petunia flowers not only changed the color of the petals but also decreased fertility and altered the growth of the roots and leaves. Salmon genetically engineered with a growth hormone not only grew too big too fast but also turned green."

Q. Do genetically engineered foods pose risks to human health and safety?

A. Yes. Genetic engineering may cause unintended side effects that make foods hazardous for human consumption. Unpredictable gene expression may result in the unanticipated toxic effects or allergies. We have indisputable evidence that genetically engineered foods may produce serious, even fatal, allergic reactions. A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine proved that individuals who were allergic to Brazil nuts suffered the same allergic reaction when they consumed genetically engineered soybeans that contain Brazil nut genes. Under normal circumstances, consumers manage food allergies by avoiding those foods they know will cause allergic reactions. If genetically engineered foods are not labeled with the source of the foreign genes, consumers will not be able to identify these potential allergens.

Genetic engineering can also alter the nutritional quality of certain foods, making them less nutritious than their unmodified counterparts. In a study published in The Journal of Medical Foods, Dr. Marc Lappe found that genetically engineered soybeans contained less phystoestrogens than natural soybeans. Phystoestrogens are associated with protection against heart disease, osteoporosis (bone loss) and breast cancer. The genetically engineered soybeans were found to be 12 - 14% lower in phytoestrogens, a significant nutritional difference. Foods that have been engineered for a longer shelf-life may also exhibit counterfeit freshness. Genetic engineered may mislead consumers into buying fruits and vegetables that have the appearance of ripeness, without the accompanying nutritional quality or flavor.

Q. Do genetically engineered foods pose risks to the environment?

A. Yes. A study published in the scientific journal Nature proved that genetically engineered crops can transfer genetically engineered traits to weedy relatives, thus creating more aggressive weeds. The creation of "superweeds" may disrupt delicate ecological balances.

Additional studies have shown that crops genetically engineered with Bt cause harm to beneficial insects such as ladybugs. More recent studies published in Nature conclude that the pollen from Bt plants is deadly to Monarch Butterflies. What effects Bt will have on birds that eat contaminated insects is unknown.

The most common trait being engineered into crops is that of herbicide-tolerance. Crops that have been genetically engineered for herbicide-tolerance can withstand larger and more frequent applications of chemical herbicides. The long-term health consequences of these synthetic chemicals is unknown, but many of the chemicals are known to cause birth defects or cancer in laboratory animals and are toxic to fish.

Studies have already linked Glyphosate, the active herbicide ingredient used on RoundUp Ready© herbicide tolerant seeds, to non-hodgkins lymphoma, a form of cancer. Non-Hodgkins lymphoma, which is one of the most prevalent cancers in the Western world (occurances have risen 73% since 1973) has been linked directly to Monsanto's herbicide. This report, published in the New Scientist, was also published in the journal Cancer in 1999. Genetically engineered herbicide-tolerant crops will certainly increase the dependence of farmers on chemicals and will delay the development of alternative sustainable weed control strategies.

Q. Do genetically engineered foods raise other ethical considerations?

A. Yes. Vegetarians may not wish to eat vegetables that have been engineered to contain animal genes. Jews who keep Kosher may not wish to eat products that have been engineered with pig genes. Many consumers may not wish to consume foods containing human genes.

Many consumers also are concerned with the corporate ownership of seeds and genetically engineered food plants. Monopolistic business practices, the extreme consolidation of the seed industry, coupled with the patenting of seeds has led many consumers to question whether the agribusiness corporations have public welfare or private profit as top priority.

Q. Doesn't the U.S. government test genetically engineered foods to ensure that they are safe for human consumption?

A. No. In most cases, the FDA does not require premarket safety testing, or even notification that a genetically engineered food has been introduced in the market. Industry is essentially on an "honor system," deciding whether and when to consult with the FDA.

Q. What is the U.S. government policy on labeling of genetically engineered food?

A. The U.S. government does not require that genetically engineered foods be labeled as such unless they determine that the genetically engineered food is no longer "substantially equivalent" to the unmodified version. The FDA has considered most genetically engineered foods to be "substantially equivalent" to unmodifed food, regardless of reports detailing the substantial compositional and nutritional difference between genetically modified and unmodified foods. The "substantial equivalence" principle is vague and misleading, and encompasses most genetically engineered foods on the market today.

Q. Do consumers have a right to know that their food has been genetically engineered?

A. Yes. In light of the uncertainty regarding the safety and environmental impact of genetically engineered foods, many consumers want to take a precautionary approach. Governments should require mandatory labeling of foods produced by or containing genetically engineered organisms (GMOs). The labels should specify the source of the foreign genes.

In addition, the US already allows "process" labels on other products. Kosher foods, for example, are equivalent in nutritional value and taste to non-Kosher foods. The Kosher label refers to the process by which livestock is slaughtered or foods are prepared. Similarly, "dolphin-safe" tuna is equivalent in nutritional value and taste to other types of tuna. The "dolphin-safe" process label indicates that special nets have been used that do not entrap dolphins.

http://www.gene-watch.org/programs/food/foodFAQ.html


I don't use canola or corn oil nor soy beans in any form. A lot of packaged processed food contain all, one or all three to one degree or another. Corn and tomatoes ,canola and soy beans are some of the biggest American GM crops grown on a commercial basis. Montsanto should be brought up on criminal charges for the effect of the food they have produced and originally they weren't even into food production. They also produce aspartame which is deadly for its longterm and now they are finding short term effect on the central nervous system due to its dire effects on the brain. Monsanto values power over people lives and and profit over the well being of people. The FDA is controlled by Monsanto amongst other big Corps so this GOv agency allows this too. This is enough for me to grow my own. With veggies and fruit how do you know which ones are GM and what genes from where are they crossed with? Just a few significant points to ponder. I also know that in Canada any fruit or veggies coming across the border from another country are treated so as not to contaminate our own which means organic also is effected. Fortunately there is organic food grown here that isn't treated or sprayed but still it isn't fresh in most cases where it isn't locally grown.

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I don't want to stray off the topic of this thread about what we can do but this is what happens when enough people aren't doing for themselves what they can and depend on others to take care of it for them. Percy Schmeiser is a Canadian farmer in Saskatchewan who as a traditional farmer saved seed from his pure canola crops . Monsanto contaminated his crops with their GM seed and then tried to sue Percy Schmeiser, hoping to put him out of commission . Monsanto and others want control over all the organic seeds so as they have complete control over the earth grown food supply. The more individuals across N. America who grow their own and save the seeds the less chance of Monsanto ever having that control. What a way to trim down the world population huh? Taint and control the food supply or what do you do with a nation of pis-sed off people who aren't willing to be your experimental fodder any more. These are of Percy.

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Percy Schmeiser Part 1 (15:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzqLZSCs ... PL&index=6
Percy Schmeiser Part 2 (14:34)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsuhJ2m ... PL&index=8
Percy Schmeiser Part 3 (14:59)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXga2EK ... PL&index=7
gmo-Terminator Technology (1:02)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4xVMqKW ... L&index=13

The more people doing what they can to be more responsible for themselves and their needs the less drama if or when there is a complete economic collapse. I would want my neighbours to have their own gardens too although I don't mind sharing and helping others out, it's good for others to do what they can for themselves when they can. For those who don't and if they are in the majority around you guess who they will be looking to, to get food from? Yep, it looks like educating our neighbours might be a good thing to do. Now.

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More on GMO this needs to be addressed and said in no uncertian terms NO MORE!!!! An excerpt from one who has said it...

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/ ... roduction/

She grows her own. You'll notice most do who know what has been done to the food supply and they want everyone to know about it too so that we can stop the usurpers including a government who supports those who expect us to ignorantly buy their tainted goods.

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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Recreating Eden - A Growing Community
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMJB_bhF ... re=related

In Vancouver B.C. Canada it's very cool once you start the ball rolling the rest just falls into place...Jason O'Brie is of that new generation James talked about and how wonderful for how much he cares and what he is doing because of it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJypFEA3 ... re=related

Multicultural merging....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZizTpPkH ... re=related

Community Gardens have been around for a while downunder ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmLX18hU ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNqaWbZM ... re=related

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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well, one more thing we can do (easily) is to stop drinking tap water... according to this recent report, this could be the cause of not only our lethargy but also our insanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3vp8Q18bfw

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I really love knowing how resilient our bodies are, I know mine is, and that for those with the consciousness that know it can heal their bodies and all else that needs healing and get them through all kinds of things. Starduster, you deserve more than a medal for having come through Lyme's disease, I applaud you and the resilience of your consciousness and body. :wink: We are constantly bombarded with stuff which is more directed at putting doubt and fear in our consciousness than actual direct harm to the body in some cases. Because if you can break down the mind the body follows. However, to eat the purest food available and drink pure water while breathing pure air is OK with me and a lovely thing to do for the body and especially in honoring earth and nature through alignment with them. We create our environments. Contemplate that. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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starduster wrote:
well, one more thing we can do (easily) is to stop drinking tap water... according to this recent report, this could be the cause of not only our lethargy but also our insanity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3vp8Q18bfw


I think Ron Paul is great, however, I couldn't find the recent report about tap water. :?: :?

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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:oops: wrong link... here is the right one... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090420/ap_ ... _factories

and I believe that the best approach is not to let this make you fearFULL...but aware...so that you can prevent being sucked into that stupor .... that this article suggest is self induced if you are drinking tap water ... and something I learned along the way was that things are not always as they seem... such a "water purifiers"... often all they do is take the smell away... I have not only bought these gaggets, I sold them too, and have done my homework... Over the past few years I started buying bottled water, only to find the bottles were contaminated... What I was buying in bulk from Costco, was labled "spring water" until a month ago when they changed the lable... and the water no longer comes from a spring - not even 15% of it... it's a buyer beware world out there... but IMO any filtered water is better than tap water...


here's another article you may want to read about fluoride (that is not being filtered out by most water filters) that is proven to be a behavioral control additive...causing the "stupor" http://www.battery-rechargeable-charger ... oning.html

"I say this in all earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorides. Any person who drinks artificially fluoridated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person."

Charles E. Perkins, research scientist with 20 years experience with the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorides.

by Elyse Van Breemen

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Urban Farming Grows Up...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scs2SIeIkkM&feature=dir

The Green House NYTimes.com...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fik20UVk ... e=featured

Rain Harvesting Basics...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQ-FBAm ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS-XQUkS ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ib0drun ... re=related

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 Post subject: Re: Sustainability and getting out of the stupor
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here's a great idea... for city dwellers ... Vertical farming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scs2SIeIkkM

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