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 Post subject: Mark Hempel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:39 pm 
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Hi, came across this while browsing Wingmakers related sites and it's probably something that's been covered before, but I'm curious so... . If this is the same Mark who runs Wingmakers site when did he have a change of heart? :?


From: "Mark Hempel" <mhempel@southbaygroup.com
To: <CNINews1@aol.com
Cc: <eotl@west.net
Subject: RE: Wingmakers = Hoax?
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:54:13 -0600

Hi, Michael,

Yes, I know this album very well (Soulfood). I used to work at NetRadio for approximately 2 years. I was in charge of operations (COO), before we sold the company to Navarre, and I moved into consulting. Anyway, my involvement with Gordy's CD project was the following: He shared it with me when it was in early production (Gordy was a DJ at netradio under the name DJ Free). I told him it was a great project and that he should finish it and play it over the Internet via NetRadio's new age and world music channels. I did not produce or co-produce the album. I simply encouraged him. You can buy the album at most music stores and in the credits my name is not mentioned as producer, co-producer, or musician. He simply thanks me in the credits (along with about twenty other people). I believe he was thankful for my support and willingness to let him play it on the NetRadio "airwaves". As for the similarity of sound between Soulfood and WingMakers, yes, I can hear similarities too, but they seem more in the use of nature sounds than musical instruments, vocals, etc. Also, there are strings used extensively in WingMakers, and I don't think there are any strings in SoulFood that I can recollect.

I don't know if that answers your question, but I can't take credit for something I didn't do. However, it seems that your real question is whether I can't take credit for something I did do. I think you'd agree that to produce the WingMakers site, someone or probably some group would have to go to a lot of effort. To me, those paintings don't look like they were created in a few weeks time or even months. I don't disagree with anyone that it's a hoax. It probably is, and that seems to be the prevailing opinion of those who have looked at the site.

I've done my own research, and with the help of about 25 other people (I didn't know before a week ago), I think the issues that are most probably hoax-revealing are:

1) The music is too contemporary sounding. It just doesn't sound like
something that would be produced 750 years in the future. I really like the
music (I made a CD of it), but I've had musicians listen to it and they
don't hear many sounds that seem futuristic. Every sound that they heard
could be replicated today on a synthesizer or digital sampler.
2) According to a scientist who read the entire text of the site, somewhere
in the interview transcripts section there's a reference to the Pleaides,
which is claimed to be the seed race of the WingMakers and humankind. This
scientist says the Pleaides is a relatively young nebula, and therefore this
is not possible.
3) I had an ex-Navy intelligence officer review the site, and he read the
ACIO memos and said they're completely out of protocol standards and he
doesn't believe any agency or department of the NSA would violate these
protocols.
4) The glyphs have been further researched and the connection to Sumerian
culture seems to be a stretch. There are some similarities, but for the most
part, these glyphs are not recognizable to an anthropologist that looked at
the site.
5) I had a person who had read a book by Courtney Brown called Cosmic
Voyage, and he quoted passages from the book that seemed very similar to the
writings in the transcripts where they talk about the Martians, Greys, and
remote viewing in general. It's either an amazing corroboration or someone
lifted the ideas from the book. (I sent an email to Dr. Brown asking him to
look at the site. I haven't heard back from him yet).
6) I had a linguist analyze the speech of "Dr. Anderson" and she didn't
believe a man with such a supposedly high IQ would talk like he does,
particularly if he worked 80 hours per week with others like himself. She
felt his language skills represented someone with above average
intelligence, but certainly not a genius.
7) For my two-cents, I just can't believe that the crystals could be so high
tech. That just doesn't make sense to me. Synthetic or not. Crystals are not
a technology. So to me, the fact that the technology artifacts aren't shown
more or in more detail, to me, that's the most certain proof that the site
is not what it claims. I was on some new age site doing some research and
saw a crystal that looked extremely similar to one of the artifacts (I
forget which chamber, but it's the one that has two distinctive pointed
ends.)

There're a few more things that lead me to the conclusion it's a hoax, but I think these are enough. I think someone should just call it what it is. I don't know who the grand de-bunker is for the UFO/paranormal community, but the site, as far as I'm concerned should be called a hoax. I believe it is. Perhaps then it will reduce the traffic in my email box, which would be appreciated.

For my part, anyone who sends me an email asking about the site, will get a response from me that is similar to the 7 reasons I just gave for why I believe it's a hoax. I hope you'll help me in doing the same.

Thanks for your email.

Mark


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:42 pm 
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I never got into it, because it was before my membership...but I understood that there were a batch of e-mails, circulating the web, attributed to Mark, that he never wrote...aimed at making him and the WM's website look bad...I remember either him or some one came into the forum and basically cleared this issue up, but it does crop up from time to time.

for me, the fact that Mark is still working closely with the website, and James (ten years later), validates his devotion/loyalty to the WMs and their "work". I would like to suggest that when you have questions about anyone associated with the WMMs or even the forum members...that you ask them directly...I think this is what you would appreciate if you were being questioned and is only common courtesy

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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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Thanks for your response starduster. The reason I asked in a general way on the forum was because I felt that it was highly likely that I was not the first to come across this on the web and therefore it could be explained easily, and if so there was no need email Mark as I'm sure he's extremely busy. Besides I had in the past asked him for an explanation for the Anderson/Neruda name change, :) and after a long period having had no response I then posted the question here on this forum to which you very kindly posted a reply.
I think it's better to openly ask for explanations to what can be perceived as anomolies in WMM rather than the hierarchical approach of blind faith. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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examine you own reactions to this e mail...and how it affected you...and what purpose it served, or could have served if you believed it without question. The fact that you question it at all is encouraging - maybe it is a good exercise in discernment...or encouragement for us to "release our dependence on the externals"... and trust our own feelings about what the materials offer.:D
I appreciate the opportunity you gave me to offer my opinion but I think you knew the answer before you asked :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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Hey starduster, wise words 8) Now to my next niggle......Why is Chamber17's painting used as the artwork for Soulfoods didgeridoo Cd 'Entering Dreamtime'...niggle!!! :D


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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seems pretty obvious, that they work(ed) together...just by listening to the music... (?)

if you google around...even in music world...you will find lots of folks have permission (or not) to use WMMs
Charlottemarie has one of the paintings on one of her album covers too...and she didn't put her name on the music for years...even though soulfood made theirs the name of the second album. (that was sold at Amazon)

lot-o-people want to be "associated" with the word "wingmakers"... wonder why that is? :roll:


when I first found "wingmaker.com" there was only ONE google link...now there are almost 150 THOUSAND links to the word...most with very little in common with the materials...just cashing in on the "name association" eh?

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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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I know starduster and I'm sure James gave his consent. I just hope I can look at Chamber 17 without thinking of Rolph Harris and his didgeridoo !! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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I am glad I listened to the WMs music first...in fact, I never listened to any other soulfood cds...and it seems like we were told that their connection to the WMLLC was severed shortly after this chamber 11-17 cd ... because of the confidentiality James maintains... or that is my understanding...maybe someone else knows the details...maybe we were just told this so that people would stop hounding the musician in Soulfood for information on James...it was before my time.

I am sure that you know, that the last tract chamber 17 on this album, is included in the Grand Cycle, (see Philo Four) and was explained to have been specially "encoded" . The entire next album 18 - 24 is also encoded...and was the final "Wingmaker" album. The next series of cds were music found in the Cuzco Peru TZ, and called the Hakomi Project...there are two papers connect to these albums (specifically chamber 3), that explain these "tools" in the Products section of the web page, and IMO are some of the most important "materials" we have which explain consciousness, and how Light and Sound create...and transform spirit into matter, and mater into spirit... :wink:

Coherence of the Evolutionary Consciousness

Anatomy of the Individuated Consciousness

http://www.wingmakers.com/products1.html

I believe the Wholeness Navigator DVD, came between the two sets of cds, or it was scheduled to come between them but got delayed ... then there was the Lyricus cd (Grand Portal) which came out before the Hakomi Project was complete... We were told that there were only sixteen chambers in the Cuzco site, and we only have music from 12, (the last cd, Chambers 7-12, was a collaboration between WM and Lyricus) so I am still looking for one more album...to be released from that TZ...hopefully.

I have them all strung (seamlessly recorded) together on a "playlist" in my musicmatchjutebox and they run continuously for over ten hours, without repeating... I love them and gave each cd individual attention as they came out, listening exclusively to it, daily for a month via earbuds, before adding it to the play list...I believe that all the Hakomi Project music is also encoded, and for me - transformative. :D

chamber 10 of the WMs cds, is "a trigger" for transformation according to the website...it was for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Mark Hempel
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Wow, I havn't had a chance to listen to much of the music yet.....I'm due a months vacation in May and thinking of some exotic island, so maybe I'll have a chance to listen on the beach...mmmmm. Thanks for sharing starduster :D


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