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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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hiyas all...(((all)))...

it is good to see individuals utilizing the tools which have been provided to assist us to progress and transcend in this reality membrane of holographic energy fields we call reality...

the urantia book holds much hidden information of assistance...the information was provided from individuals from the inner-dimensions...not the inner-dimensions of physical realities but the inner-dimensions which leads to First Source personality as our spiritual parent...the creator and sustainer of us the offspring...

if it offends you to hear that jesus is michael a creator son and you attack others for discussing him as such then it reflects the child which has not been transcended in you...

while the urantia book touches upon truths...it's pages are limited in respect to the liminal cosmogony texts...yet it far surpases what has been touted by religions...it's pages lead into the liminal cosmogony texts...it's pages direct individuals away from the limiting and devolving texts of religions on this planet...

the urantia book is a stepping stone into liminal cosmogony...and those who call it diverse names in offense to degrade it but display their lack of growth...

until the full texts of the liminal cosmogony have been released there is no other truth closer to clarity than the urantia book...while it spikes into the liminal cosmogony texts, it's footprint is rather small but one should consider that the path is long and spread across eternity and even the liminal cosmogony is but a small particle of truth when compared to the infinite truth availible...

jesus' position in reference to jame's far surpases what james can see and experience...mahu nahi in his role to assist us might seek advice from jesus in furthering his task while here...yet as plainly displayed many here become offended when discussing jesus...

remember...the texts to date from religions are far into error concerning jesus' role and such...yet to know this should take the offense from one's mind...yet it still finds expression here on this site which but displays as some have pointed out...egos and such...

one should seek the experience of the one that is all and the all that is one...as displayed in the movie Secret...have you ever found yourself seeing self through another's eyes...do you not understand what this means?...

while we hold a personality of uniqueness and individualized expression...we are but the fragments which make up the one...this applies not only on small scales such as humanity but much much more...

sometimes it is proper to point out our own errors in order to transcend them...for you are but other-self...me...and as such I assist Me as You...as You assist Me as I...<smile>...

Live in the Light...



Urantia describes the hierarchy beautifully. That being said , Urantia is limited to the absolute need for structure of the hierarchy. The Lyricus Teaching Order is not limited by such a need. The LTO is in a class of its own and the sooner some realize this the sooner they stop comparing it to such hierarchical structures. The LTO came before such a need for structure or structure taken to such a cumbersome extreme.

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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....if it offends you to hear that jesus is michael a creator son and you attack others for discussing him as such then it reflects the child which has not been transcended in you...


This is a cowardly way of trying to intimidate people to accept your beliefs. No where in the WMM does it say that Jesus(which isn't even his correct name, its the name the Catholic Church allotted to him), is the leader of the LTO so why are you using such childish tactics in trying to convince people of this here? Why aren't you discussing this on the Urantia website?

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

if you would be so kind please identify the "hierarchy" which james points to...explain in detail what and who the "hierarchy" is...

also explain how the urnatia book came into being and by who and for what purpose...

there really was an individual named jesus as found described in the bible and yes utilized by the catholics...and yes it was michael who came here to fulfil his service and requirements as a creator son...he bestowed himself here on this planet in service to us as our brother, father, and son displaying the nature of First Source as a father personality...

james is here in service to us also...his work is in conjunction with the Christ Consciousness...

the christ consciousness works to free the creations from the forces which act to devolve them and control them...

your response is a built in reaction caused by your past experiences and associated in error as you reflect upon your experiences...

why would james point you to the urantia book as a text of truth and give positive feedback in comparison to the liminal cosmogony texts if it was but a control function of the hierarchy meant to limit your experiences and keep you devolved?...

jesus is not the leader of the lto...

he is a descending personality whose origins are different than ours if you view us from our origins of personality on evolutionary planets...

yet after his experience on this planet he now holds the title of a being who has attained not only descending from First Source but ascended to First Source...

yet from another view from our divine identities we both hail from the same source in a descending path of transformative and expanding wholeness...but we must align to this aspect of self and fuse with it to be this potential from First Source as personality...the child can't say they are the parent if they refuse to allow self to become their potential as such...

james explains there are methods to transformation...methods to becoming our potential...he explains the actions needed to become that potential while here...do you not understand that to be, one must become by allowing?...

it is best to stop degrading something which you do not understand, namely the urantia book...

james has explained that its pages spikes into the liminal cosmogony texts so that those who find use of it can find assurances in utilizing it...

yet you continue to bash it and degrade it in ignorance of your own actions...because you are offended by religions on the planet and rightly so...but you apply the word "hierarchy" without understanding what it is and who it is...

also it is best to transcend your offenses of the religions of this planet in favor of loving understanding...it is the same for the "hierarchy"...

the "hierarchy" serves its purpose and is proper in its application...

each who think the "hierarchy" is evil and such only displays the lack of comprehension and understanding of the information provided by james to date...

words will not suffice to get us from this point of offense to one of no offense...it is by choices and decisions...

release the offense and transform and transcend your concept of reality to date...this is the best method to move beyond and become the potential which awaits your taste...

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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In the Project Camelot Interview with James, he explains the channeled materials from the God-Sprit-Soul Connection, they are all part of the system put in place by Anu to keep humanity recycling itself. The materials you quote according to James comes from the Planetary Tributary Zone, and it most aligned to the horizontal of the cosmos aspect of the writing. He did not give the channeling about personalities to be in alignment with the WMM.

It is great you have such belief in the book, that if fine for you, however it might not be in line with some as they are moving into new energy grids. If you are breaking free of the old patterns, then the practice of the six Heart Virtues and the Quantum Pause might be the focus one would take in discussions here.

By James description of what the Christ is doing, it is fair to say that he is the head of the "Religious Quarter of Power" of Lyricus Teaching Order.

Many of your questions have been answered by James in the "Creator's Section"

"Source Organizational Alignment—SOA
Description
Question 30-S3 – Is there another word besides “Hierarchy” which I can use which is more akin to its true nature?
A. I like the concept of “Source Organizational Alignment” or SOA. It means that the source of an organization is rightfully empowered to establish a vision for the group energy to achieve. All who invest their time and energy to the organization have a responsibility to align to this vision. SOA is an alternative definition of Hierarchy that suggests its true nature.
That said, however, the difficulty emerges as Hierarchies protect the vision of its source when three things occur:
• The source vision was time-bound for a period of one generation, and the organization outlasts the source vision.
• The source was not truly visionary or adept at forecasting human behavioral shifts based on environmental changes.
• Substantial threats or opportunities emerge that impinge on the vision and necessitate its modification.

Bear in mind that the Grand Universe, while being near infinite in its spatial dimension, is infinitesimally sparse in terms of humanoid populations. Because of this condition, human populations learn how to interact across the spatial dimensions of space through the use of SIN [Sovereign Integral Network]. Trading is the most common reason that humanoid

Earth’s SOA (Earth’s Hierarchy of Teachers and Guides)
Question 31-S3 – Are you saying that it is not an SOA, which is “aligned to the vision of First Source”? Or are you saying that my mental picture is not accurate enough to realize the true nature of Earth’s SOA which is indeed aligned with First Source?

A. Earth’s SOA was established before the great flood by members of Lyricus that became known as the Elohim or Shining Ones. These beings established seven centers of learning upon Earth. These were instructional environments that accelerated the connection of the human instrument to the Wholeness Navigator, and enabled human initiates to ascend in consciousness such that it was possible to create the great philosophical systems that to some extent endure to this day.

The Hierarchy (as you define it) was the seed that was planted by the Lyricus team that worked with the human tribes of Earth. In the span of one thousand years the human mind evolved dramatically, and with it, technologies emerged that were amazingly sophisticated. Most of these technologies were employed for the purpose of spiritual evolution of the species, however, as is always the case in a freewill universe, not all of the human tribes could resist the psychic and mental manipulations of political leaders who saw the conquest of land resources more desirable than the development of spiritually evolved societies.

The Hierarchy’s SOA began to shift as a result with a higher priority placed on self preservation. Its spiritual values and goals came under attack, and it was forced to recede underground. In part, because of this schism, the great flood exercised a new calculus on the human genome, and effectively began a new species. The Hierarchy took this learning to heart, and patience became a more desirable expression of its macro-personality. Its
teachers became more visionary about the long pathway that stood before humankind.

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Question 17-S2 – Who was Jesus Christ in relation to the WingMakers?
A. For those of you who will read these words, and are steeped in Christianity, forgive the
manner of my response. I am not a man who communicates delicately when speaking my truth.
Questions and Answers, Sessions 1, 2, 3 by James

Jesus incarnated not for the purpose of begetting a religion. He simply expressed his vision of the spiritual dimensions, making First Source accessible and singular. His fellow humans were so eager for the fulfillment of prophecy that they imposed upon him the mantle of Messiah, which he hesitantly agreed to shoulder. Jesus presently serves a leadership role in the teaching organization of which I spoke of earlier, which is made up of authentic spiritual leaders of earth.

James is referring to the Earth’s brotherhood of teachers sometimes referred to as the Hierarchy. See Lyricus Teaching Order, Description, Question 6-S2, Earth’s SOA (Earth’s Hierarchy of Masters) Question 31-S3, and Hierarchy of Masters.

He is very much aware of both the WingMakers and Lyricus. An interesting footnote: While the religious organizations compete for human membership, those teachers who are responsible or the religions’ origin operate in collaboration and cooperation beneath the same, bold banner: human evolution.
Those teachers who have translated from the physical to the interdimensional realms remain powerful teachers of humanity. They shift their focus from individualistic missions to collaborative missions, and in this spirit of collaboration, become increasingly powerful as change agents for the human condition. Jesus, in particular, operates as a managing director of the teaching organization, and in this role, interfaces with Lyricus on planning and analysis of the Grand Portal.

There is a common understanding among the teaching core that the confluence of science, art, and religion is inevitable, and it will culminate in the scientific discovery of the human soul, and more specifically, how the human soul is designed. Much like the physical body has a human genome, the spiritual body, or Wholeness Navigator, has a spiritual genome. And this genome is far more important to understand than the human because it is the causal element, while the human genome is the receptor.

There are six components to this effort that are coordinated:
1. Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system
2. Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
3. Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
4. Earth teachers (physical) disseminate and preserve the knowledge of the Grand Portal
5. Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral Network
6. Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe

Jesus’ role is of high importance in stage two, and in approximately eighty years, in stage five. He essentially leads this process with the collaborative assistance of the entire teaching organization of ascended (non-physical) teachers. [First published July 9, 2001.] "
Arrangement ©2007 John Berges. WingMakers words and images used with permission of WingMakers LLC. All rights reserved. pages 31-34

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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he bestowed himself here on this planet in service to us as our brother, father, and son displaying the nature of First Source as a father personality...


Greetings Finaliter
Strictly speaking - First Source is not 'the father' or even a male.
The 'father' personality is but one aspect of First Source.

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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hiyas all...(((all)))...

thanks to each of you for your attempted assistance for your brothers and sisters...

first, the urantia book is not channeled...

second, as you have pointed out it is a planetary tributary zone requiring, as james put it...

"when you open up this “can of worms” (Grand Multiverse Hierarchy) you need to assemble a team to disclose this information because it is too broad and deep for one personality to attempt to disclose (hence the nature of authorship of The Urantia Book)."...

what is a planetary tributary zone and what is its purpose...

as james put it...

"Planetary Tributary Systems are a diverse set of artistic and text-based contributions created by members of the species who have sufficiently interacted with the Galactic Tributary Zones in their dream state. In some instances, these may include works from other planetary systems within the same galaxy. Generally, Planetary Tributary Zones are created in the form of books, art, poetry, and motion pictures. They are not encoded sensory data streams, as in the case of the Galactic Tributary Zones, and they are focused on preparation of the species."...

the information in the urantia book is small comparatively speaking to the liminal cosmogony texts yet it is a preparatory set of writings of truth which are designed to pull individuals away from anu's work in religions and prepare them for just such things as the wingmaker's mythology...

the authors are beings which are related to humanity...in general...and in some cases are human beings who have ascended and returned in service oriented roles...

to me the urantia book is not of importance actually but it is proper to point to tools of this type when other-self displays their success in recognition of finding such tools...

just as in automotive refinishing...there are multiple stages of sanding...while even these stages are important in arriving at the buffing to a beautiful shining finish...they are still important in their proper places...

those who degrade and attack others for utilizing these tools in their proper place but display their childishness...and it is only proper to stand up for those other-selves who are working, utilizing tools, of diverse grades...

but one can have alot of trouble if they try to skip levels of tools even in the sanding stages of auto refinishing...<smile>...

there are those who are in the stage of utilizing the tools found in religions who will work their way through that tool to find the urantia book and then to proceed at their unique pace to find the wingmaker's mythology and so forth...

while the tools in the religions are deep into error...there is still some truths hidden in the tools which has not been removed by anu's manipulations...and these tools within the writings are the very parts which hold the causations which allow them to find the descrepencies within it to move forward...

each will accomplish their destiny...

while the potential for rewriting one's destiny still remains to transform and progress beyond what is currently allowed if caught up in these religions...

one should transcend their offenses to become their potential...this includes me, you, them, us, i, ect...

thanks again for your attempts to assist US...

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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In the written interview with Project Camelot James wrote the following:
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The channeled materials, owning to their extensive crafting, were cosmological wunderkinds that generated awe and near-instant faith in their readers. Works like The Urantia Book, Conversations with God, Seth, Agartha, Alice Bailey, and countless others were all prepared texts for humanity, written by dimensional entities under the direction of the GSSC and distributed for human consumption to ensure that humans remained satiated with division and deception –– though under the guise of spiritual and cosmological truth.
page 34

What is your purpose here? You seem to be trying to continue what you did on the US Forum. Your words say we have a difference of opinion of who James is and what the Lyricus Teaching Order is bring to the planet at this time. If you do not respect the work of the LTO and seems to be the case. Then it would seem that you are only here to be recruiting for your belief system.

Many will not resonant with the LTO teaching and that is fine. But if you are here then on this Forum which is dedicated to the work of James and the LTO then that is the focus of your posting. When you have immersed yourself in the materials you find that what you studied in the past, does not fit into the new patterns of behaviors that living from the heart bring you.

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

one other thing which should be clarified...

from jame's answers...Q5 answers session 3...

"Perhaps one of the greatest secrets in the universe – as it pertains to organizations – is the Lyricus Teaching Order. It is a bedrock SOA that is invisible and likes to remain so until the Grand Portal is discovered."...

it is a bedrock "hierarchy" that is invisible and likes to remain so...

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Finaliter wrote:
hiyas all...(((all)))...

one other thing which should be clarified...

from jame's answers...Q5 answers session 3...

"Perhaps one of the greatest secrets in the universe – as it pertains to organizations – is the Lyricus Teaching Order. It is a bedrock SOA that is invisible and likes to remain so until the Grand Portal is discovered."...

it is a bedrock "hierarchy" that is invisible and likes to remain so...

Live in the Light...


If you look everything has a hierarchy, animals, plants, family, etc, so hierarchy as we know it is not the same as the LTO know it. Hierarchy is not a negative.

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

i understand your issues with my statements...

what i am attempting to do is assist those who are attempting to work their way out of the spiritual darkness to clarity of light...

i am aware of errors within the urantia work as well as the others...yet i am also aware of the truths found in their pages...they are tools for moving past and therefore to...

i stand on the understanding that the urantia work was not channeled...it was not...the statement you are utilizing does not specifically say that the urantia book was channeled...because it was not the method utilized in bringing it here...

as i explained earlier...the urantia book is not important to me so much as standing up for those who are utilizing the tools availible...

it is possible to utilize the bible for instance to align and transform if you but utilize aspects of it which can accomplish such things...

didn't you hear when james explained that those types of works even though they are designed to cause problems also contains truths in them which can be utilized if you understand this...

even though anu manipulated texts and other tools availible even programming into the system positions to bring in greater truths when needed to move individuals steps up the ladder but never allowing the greatest truths to be present...this displays that hidden in their pages are truths along with desceptions...

why would you wish to point individuals away from the truths they find...does not a gem still shine even when laying in the dirt...if you uncover it?...yet many still attempt to attack and belittle individuals for utilizing the hidden truths...

until the child becomes the parent...they are still the child...

until we become our potential...we are still the child...the path to parenthood is diverse for each individual child...

why attack them when they find another stone to traverse the river?...

isn't it better to support them in their efforts of discovery and to support them in public when others assail them in error?...

do we turn our backs on the truths even when they are lying in the mud or do we clean up the gems in the mud and display them for others to find?...

many throw the whole truth out the window because of a bit of dirt...why not wipe the dirt off and then display the gem as it should be?...

it is the same when discussing jesus...many throw the whole ideal of jesus out the window because of the errors concerning him...

thanks again for your attempts to assist US...

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

exactly...

thanks again for your attempted assistance to US...

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Fine.

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To be able to utilize the WMM to their fullest, one has to let go of their past concepts and be willing to be in the wilderness having found they can trust to follow what is in their Energetic Heart. So many find it too frightening to do that probably because they have forgotten how so they look to others to teach them and guide them and give their trust and power to them. It's a comfortable thing if not habit for them to do.To trust that they themself may know somethings and abide by it seems to be very difficult for people and its understandable, beliefs that have worked in the past through habit one utilizes to work again, without question. However, these times are quickly changing and so much more is being introduced from the subtler realms and the benefit of that will be missed if one insists on remaining with past renderings that don't apply anymore let alone work. So many people come to this forum to discuss everything else but the WMM and insist that others listen to them about their borrowed beliefs more than discussing what the purpose of this forum is for. Finaliter why can't you discuss the WMM and why is that hodgepodge of various and scattered beliefs you hold more important to discuss here than the WMM? And why would anyone who has let go of past beliefs want to discuss that with you?
Just the same old same old. And yes, it has been said quite clearly that the Urantia book IS channeled. What part of that do you not understand? There are so many walls to the HMS, your head is spinning and spinning and spinning..Haven't you noticed that your Jesus stood on his own and completely trusted his Heart and told everyone else to do the same. Why aren't you? .Sigh....

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hiyas all...(((all)))...

Shayalana, thank you for trying to assist me as well as all the others you have attempted to assist...

it is not for me to judge your position along your path and what your intentions are nor what your belief structure entails...ect...

the reason for this is that personality does not possess the capabilities to make that judgement...for personality is the limited aspect of self which gets up every day and walks the path without the knowledge and insight which our "higher self" holds...

it relies on "higher self" in faith and trust...its main purpose during this time is to make decisions concerning self so that self can align to "higher self"...

the urantia book is not important whatsoever from my perspective...does it possess any truths in its pages?...yes...did someone channel this information...no...is this information important...no...so then there is nothing to actually be concerned about...

do some individuals utilize the urantia book to progress beyond limitation?...yes...is the information james is presenting more valueable?...yes...in a sense...much more so...

is there higher information than what james is sharing with us?...yes...

remember james is concerned about the grand portal and how to direct the discovery of it...

let me ask you some questions...is First Source the Body of the Universal Father?...is First Source the personality of the Universal Father?...who or what created First Source and for what purpose?...

james has not touched upon these questions...what are the implications of the answers to those questions?...

another question...does james know the answers to the questions above?...if so why has he not discussed them to date?...

do you really understand the information released to date from james?...

remember...words but limit one's experience...

james has explained that he utilizes misconceptions in the form of myths to attrack individuals so that they can be directed along a path utilizing event strings...

so why would you be concerned about my use of praise concerning individuals and standing up for them in a public forum such as this in an attempt to assist them as my other-self to lead them along their path?...

if i am a spirit led individual and being led to assist them...from them...then the work i have done would equate to my divine duty in loving assistance as they required of me...

i would like to point out at this time also that i am very touched by your posts on this site when you share your perpectives as the information effects you along your path...

as darlene has suggested...it is best for us to utilize the heart virtues instead of targeting each other concerning our unique paths...

jesus is not the leader of the lto...that is for certain...

those that utilize the urantia book can find nice morsels of truth to assist them...but as james has pointed out...anything which polarizes keeps us seperated...however one should understand more concerning that...

does not jame's information polarize the individual towards goodness?...

yes...

and there is a wonderful reason for this...it is only proper to align to goodness...but to judge those who do not is where the problem arises...

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There are numerous revelations that have been brought to your species through non-physical entities in the form of what you term, channeled information. Even parts of your Holy books are channeled. However, these writings were for the few. They did not contain the true wisdom -- they only hinted at the shadow it casts. The Sovereign Integrals will emerge like beacons for your species, and elevate the mental and emotional perceptions of the entire species.

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Finaliter I know what my heart tells me even if I am the only one who is listening and everyone else disagrees. What the LTO says resonates very deeply with me as it does with but only a very few others here. That is because of the clarity of what it says and most are still very lost in complication if not enjoying the game the (HMS)ego\intellect\mind just lovvvveeessss to play as a distraction and diversion. Some of us of the former ilk like growing up. We play very differently than you.

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...The broadcasting of this enhanced clarity is not through words, or even actions; so much as it is in the vision that you hold within your mind and heart.
This vision is assisted in the paintings associated with this disc. They are symbols you can hold in your mind's eye. There will be one image or symbol that will beckon you. Take this image into your mind as if it were a key to the locked door that has stood between you and First Source. Similarly, there will be a word or phrase that will beckon you, hold this in your heart. These will activate the event-string contained in this experience that was designed in small part by you, and in large part by a collective of consciousnesses that you may refer to as the WingMakers.


Event Strings from the WingMakers website.

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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" Man tends to crystalize science , formulate philosophy , and dogmatize truth because he is mentally lazy in adjusting to the progressive struggles of living , while he is also terribly afraid of the unknown . Natural man is slow to initiate changes in his habits of thinking and in his techniques of living .

Revealed truth , personally discovered truth , is the supreme delight of the human soul ; it is the joint creation of the human mind and the indwelling spirit . The eternal salvation of this truth-discerning and beauty-loving soul is assured by that hunger and thirst for goodness which leads this mortal to develop a singleness of purpose to do the father's will , to find God and to become like him . There is never conflict between true knowledge and truth . There may be conflict between knowledge and human beliefs , beliefs colored with prejudice , distorted by fear , and dominated by the dread of facing new facts of material discovery or spiritual progress .

But truth can never become man's possesion without the exercise of faith . This is true because man's thoughts , wisdom , ethics , and ideals will never rise higher than his faith , his sublime hope . And all such true faith is predicated upon profound reflection , sincere self criticism , and uncompromising moral consciousness . Faith is the inspiration of the spiritized creative imagination . "

To me doing the father's will equates living from the heart and practicing the heart virtues . If we are to appeal to the world beyond the WMM we must be able to understand and communicate better with our brothers and sisters . How often do you tell someone about the WMM material , Urantia Book or LTO in your day to day lives ? I use to , but I quickly realized that just being genuine & living from the heart has such a greater impact on others than anything else . To me being open to all material that is out there is quintessential in being able to relate to others and opening the pathway of heart to heart communication .


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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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Multiversal, yes it's by the demonstration of the HV's and living the principles of the SI that we support the transformation of the GM; which supports all life, whereas proselytizing seems to only support division.

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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(last paragraph)
“Consider these words as symbols only. Remember that language is a tool of limitation. Feeling is an antidote of limitation that permits the human instrument to leap over the boundaries of the logical mind and witness first hand the wordless power of collective energy individuated. Feel the truth that stands behind the symbols, and tap into this energy-force that reaches out for you. Know it as a tone-vibration -- a resonance that waits for you around every corner in which your life will turn. It is the beacon of the Source Vibration gathering itself into the form of language in order to usher you to the place from which you can experience the formless tone of equality. The bypass of limitation. The Primal Language of Source Intelligence that bestows to you the freedom to generate your deepest beauty in the expression of the highest truth.”

Chamber Philo.2 / The Shifting Models of Existence



"If any material resonates as truth in your innermost mind and heart, allow it entry. Once internalized, allow it to exit freely. If it stays around, you have found a valuable asset to your evolving belief system. If it leaves or goes into hibernation, it simply means you have reason to continue your search.

This applies equally to the WingMakers' material. It is not intended to be an exclusive collection of sensory data streams. Quite the opposite. There are entities incarnated now who will be returning in human embodiment in the next one hundred years who will play a significant role in the unveiling and dissemination of the Grand Portal. Their involvement with these materials now will help them navigate to these roles because it will recalibrate their internal value system, and in some instances, literally recast their destinies."


James/Creator Session 2, Ans. 22


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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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Here is some more information from the material regarding the concept of 'hierarchy' to add.... :)



“While the entity assumes its role of personal liberation, it does not mean that the hierarchy is to be shunned or avoided. The hierarchy is a wondrous instrument. It is symbolic of the body of First Source, enabling IT to submerge within the time-space universes similar to how the human instrument allows the entity to function outside of Source Reality. The hierarchy is a vehicle of transformation even when it acts to suppress information and keep species in obedience to its controlling hand. It is part of the ancient formula that prepares a new universe for the synthesis model of existence and membership in the Universe of Wholeness.

The combination of self-saviorship and detachment from the hierarchy initiates the synthesis model into manifestation. The synthesis model is the next outcome of the Grand Experiment, and in certain vibrational fields of the multidimensional universe, there are entities who are indeed experiencing this stage of the experiment as forerunners of the entity model of Source individuation.



In the advancing epoch of human development, entities will collectively design new pathways beyond the synthesis model of existence so that a new hierarchy can be constructed that is fashioned from Source Intelligence information. This new hierarchy will be cast from the knowledge gained from the Grand Experiments of the time-space universes, and the cosmic cycle will regenerate itself into a new field of vibration and existence. This new model of existence resists definition, and word-symbols are completely inadequate to describe even the shadowy outlines of this new form of existence that is emerging from out of the synthesis model in your future time. “

Chamber Philo.2 / The Shifting Models of Existence


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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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It is great to see such wonderful discussion and sharing in this thread! :)

To me doing the father's will equates living from the heart and practicing the heart virtues . If we are to appeal to the world beyond the WMM we must be able to understand and communicate better with our brothers and sisters . How often do you tell someone about the WMM material , Urantia Book or LTO in your day to day lives ? I use to , but I quickly realized that just being genuine & living from the heart has such a greater impact on others than anything else . To me being open to all material that is out there is quintessential in being able to relate to others and opening the pathway of heart to heart communication .

To be sure - to be sure...
Indeed, the outward manifestation of personal input into 3D reality must equate or be equal to the inner knowing and 'the world' thus loses its former power of influence woeful manipulation.

It is never necessary in the ordinary day to day activities to even mention 'Wingmakers' - we are not recruiting we are living from the heart and allowing the internal shifts to be practical in our daily lives experienced.

No more the drifting - certain and calculated - that is the Navigator of Wholeness perspective - any situation is knowable as that of an assistant to that which is co created - purposeful and deliberate for the exact correct reasons.




When all manifestations of life are genuinely perceived as fragmentary expressions of First Source, the vibration of equality that underlies all life-forms becomes perceptible to the human instrument. Life initially emerges as an extension of Source Reality, and then, as an individuated energy frequency invested within a form. It vibrates, in its pure, timeless state, precisely the same for all manifestations of life. This is the common ground that all life shares. This is the tone-vibration of equality that can be observed within all life forms that unifies all expressions of diversity to the foundation of existence known as First Source. If an individual is able to look upon any form of life with the outlook of equality, then they are observing Source in all things.

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus - The leader of The LTO
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I don't know if Jesus is the leader of LTO. I also don't know if Jesus depiction in the UBook is real regarding his metaphysical or physical status.

What I do know, is that the Urantia book's depiction of the human Jesus, whether fiction or reality, is a very inspiring example of a person using his heart virtues. While the UBook subtly separates Jesus from the average human (ie - inequality, in that he was God and so nobody can attempt to emulate him) it does point out that each one of us can do our best in attaining similarly optimum levels of human expression (adjusted to own circumstances and to our own unique ways), as jesus did with his own circumstances and unique characteristics - and this is a positive influence.

The trick is to express at every moment "as God would" because WE ARE GOD and not because of some punishment scheme (heavens and hells) or because it's the right-thing-to-do.

The UBook may not be THE truth, but it contains significant parts of it. It's cosmological part is insignificant compared to the behavioral sampling part. The part where one's HMS can sample a superior and inspiring behavior that ultimately makes sense* and catalyzes the emergence of the S.I.

* The suggestion to do good, be good, etc doesn't generally make sense. Why should one do these when his situational ethics dictate otherwise? However, when this understanding comes from a certain background, it makes sense. In Jesus case it was "we're all children of God and therefore we're all brothers and sisters - and should behave accordingly". It implies a separation from God, relative to the "we are the Collective First Source" of the WMM, but the behavioral outlook towards others is in the same direction of "what happens to one, happens to all" of the WMM.

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Every member of the LTO is the Leader....no followers....all independently a Sovereign Integral capable of sustaining Life on their own....Jesus.... is like the spokesman and thus a focal point for many....Urantia book has helped me find and develop the Wing Maker Will and for that alone I shall always be grateful to Michael of Nebadon for.


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markzorb wrote:
Every member of the LTO is the Leader....no followers....all independently a Sovereign Integral capable of sustaining Life on their own....Jesus.... is like the spokesman and thus a focal point for many....Urantia book has helped me find and develop the Wing Maker Will and for that alone I shall always be grateful to Michael of Nebadon for.


Which has little or none to do with what these WMM are about. Bless you and if you so chose, may you see and truly appreciate the magnitude of what is so simply and openly offered here without any fear or past tainting it and having the courage to be able to stand on your own fully accountable and responsible. In a word, mature.

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