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welcome to the forum APM... and thank you for your contribution to our expanding awareness. I hope you have had the opportunity to research http://www.wingmakers.com and to see how it encompasses many other "schools of thought"... and enhances them with "higher intelligence" that was basically buried in our history or tainted by the hierarchy of religions...and some new concepts that have never been revealed before (ie Individulated Consciousness)... I look forward to hearing your perspectives on the many topics we are discussing and to growing with what you share.

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starduster wrote:
welcome to the forum APM... and thank you for your contribution to our expanding awareness. I hope you have had the opportunity to research http://www.wingmakers.com and to see how it encompasses many other "schools of thought"... and enhances them with "higher intelligence" that was basically buried in our history or tainted by the hierarchy of religions...and some new concepts that have never been revealed before (ie Individulated Consciousness)... I look forward to hearing your perspectives on the many topics we are discussing and to growing with what you share.


Thanks for the warm welcome, Starduster.
I will look around. Knowledge is immense, and so can love be.
We, the humanity, can be ignorant, selfish and forgetful,
and also have the potential to learn to know and love better.
I hope to learn here and share too as I am learning.

Kind regards.



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Nice picture of the Tower of Babel that your link led to APM.
Let me extend a welcome to you as well.....
and I'll let you come to your own conclusions about the 'power of babble',
and how it may often lead us to the crossroads that contain the
'sighns of the times of our souls'..... :D

I am going to add a following post to this because I guess the picture
had something to do with stretching the read out. I generally dislike that.


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Interesting that you picked up on this thread. It's really one of the only ones that I can recall that made the 'transfer' from what some folks just call the 'old forum' to this present one. I do wonder what became of Memenen though. Perhaps he really did 'bark the tree bare'.
It's what happens with agendas I guess. Much as you have linked
http://www.gnosticteachings.org/ as part of your well-meaningness. Thanks. I bookmarked it and will likely read lots of it at another time.

It is just nothing but plain synchronicity that this thread reappears.

Actually I have been wanting to bring this particular thread back to the attention of William as it relates a lot to his 'I AM SOUL' thread. On a personal note to William.., I am just a little sorry that I didn't enjoin with some of the conversations in said thread. Many salient points worth merit, and more than worth their weight in 'fool's gold'. But as a rule, I don't talk nuclear physics much with the milkman. Not that he couldn't. I can't. :wink:
((i've done enough interjecting in the past, that I've really just had to eject myself right outta the 'ol ball game. Mostly just for what some Japanese might say, ''de ray of game''.

But seriously William. If you remember when you first shuffled back in here you asked of a 'soul'. Said 'soul' has a new son. His initials are 'DK'. I didn't know that until recently. When I see DK.., I immediately think of Dhwaj Khul. ((for those of you into pro-nun-e-nun-ciations...it can be said as, ''De Way Cool''.))
I have a book of his. Actually a book of selected writings of his. You've probably heard of Alice A. Bailey. She heard from Dwhaj.....somehow.
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She described the majority of her work as having been telepathically dictated to her by a "Master of the Wisdom", initially referred to only as "the Tibetan", or by the initials "D.K.", later identified as "Djwhal Khul".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey


But anyway.., the book is ''Ponder on This''. Google it. Get it. It's an excellent compilation of subjects esoterica and brief passages. I chose the one on SOUL. (just happened to be one of the longer ones.., but a 'labor of love' is no labor at all. Just a matter of time.., which I had and cared to share with y'all. It's important. IMO. There should be found within the following text, many of the 'buzz' words and 'imbedded' thoughts, that form a solid frame from much of this aspect of the WM discussions concerning........

THE SOUL from Ponder on This 1971 (pgs. 376-9)

1) Matter is the vehicle for the manifestation of soul on this plane of existence, and soul is the vehicle on a higher plane for the manifestation of spirit, and these three are a trinity synthesised by life, which pervades them all. Through the use of matter the soul unfolds and finds its climax in the soul of man. (4-13/4)

2) The soul is as yet an unknown quantity. It has no real place in the theories of the academic and scientific investigators. It is unproven and regarded by even the more open-minded of the academicians as a possible hypothesis, but lacking demonstration. It is not accepted as a fact in the consciousness of the race. Only two groups of people accept it as a fact; one is the gullible, undeveloped, childlike person who, brought up on a scripture of the world, and being religiously inclined, acceptes the postulates of religion - such as the soul, God, and immortality - without questioning. The other is that small but steadily growing band of Knowers of God, and of reality, who know the soul to be a fact in their own experience but are unable to prove its existence satisfactorily to man who admits only that which the concreter mind can grasp, analyse, criticise and test. (4-17)

3) The soul is the quality which every form manifests. It is that subtle something which distinguishes one element from another. It is the tangible essential nature of the form which in the vegetable kingdom determines whether a rose or a cauliflower, an elm or a watercress shall come into being; it is a type of energy which distinguishes the varying species of the animal kingdom, and makes one man different from another in appearance, nature or character. (4-33/4)

4) The soul . . . is neither spirit nor matter but is the relation between them. The soul is the mediator between this duality; it is the middle principle, the link between God and His form. Therefore the soul is another name for the Christ aspect, whether in nature or in man... The soul is the form-building aspect, and is that attractive factor in every form ... which drives all God's creatures forward along the path of evolution, through one kingdom after another, towards an eventual goal and a glorious consummation. (4-35)

5) The qualities, vibrations, colours, and characteristics in all the kingdoms of nature, are soul qualities...The qualities are brought into being through the interplay of the pairs of opposites, spirit and matter, and their effect upon each other. (4-36)

6) The soul of mankind is not only an entity linking spirit and matter and mediating between Monad and personality, but the soul of humanity has a unique function to perform in mediating between the higher three kingdoms in nature and the lower three. (4-47)

7) I ... seek to assure my fellow pilgrims that the pasing things of hte senses are but trivial, and of no value compared to the rewards, here and in this life, to the man who seeks to merge his everyday consciousness with that of his own soul. He enters then into the community of souls, and stands not alone. The only lonely periods are the result of wrong orientation and the holding on to that which hides the vision, and fills the hand so full that they cannot grasp what has been called the ''jewel in the lotus''. (4-90)

8) The light of the soul is like an immense searchlight, the beams of which can be turned in many directions, and focussed on many levels. (10-144)

9) The outer garment of the soul (physical, vital and psychic) is part of the outer garment of God. Man's self-conscious soul is en rapport with the soul of all things. It is an integral part of the universal Soul, and because of this can become aware of the conscious purpose of Deity; can intelligently co-operate with the will of God, and thus work with the plan of Evolution.
Man's spirit will in some distant time, put him en rapport with that aspect of God which is transcendent, and thus each son of God will eventually find his way to that centre - withdrawn and abstracted - where God dwells beyond the confines of solar system. (14-58)

(10) Along these various lines, proof of the soul will accumulate. In the massing of testimony and of evidence, a fruitful field of activity lies. In the training of the higher types of men in the use of soul force and soul powers, and in the trained control of the mechanism, that evidence so produced will be seen to be so high an order, and will be so scientifically presented, that it will be regarded as of as much importance, and as justifiable, as any views presented by our leading scientists in their various fields of research today. The study of the soul will before long be as legitimate and respectable an investigation as any scientific problem, such as research into the nature of the atom. The investigation of the soul and its governing laws, will before long, engross the attention of our finest minds. The newer psychology will eventually succeed in proving the fact of its existence, and the paralleling intuitive and instinctive response of mankind to soul nurture, emanating from the invisible side of life, will steadily and successfully prove the existence of a spiritual entity in man, - an entity all-wise, immortal, divine and creative. (14-104/5)

11) Humanity is an expression of two aspects of the soul - the animal soul and divine soul - and these two, blended and fused in man, constitute the human soul. It is this fact that is the cause of man's special problems, and it is these two factors which involve him in the long struggle which eventuates in the liberation of the divine soul, through the sublimation of the animal soul.. In these words lie much food for thought (14-248)

12) On the plane of soul existence, there is no separation, no ''my soul and thy soul''. It is only in the three worlds of illusion and of maya, that we think in terms of sould and bodies. (15-116)

13) This joy and serenity is not an astral condition, but a soul reaction. These qualities are not acheived as the result of disciplining the emotional nature, but demonstrate as natural, automatic reaction of the soul. This is the reward of a definitely achieved alignment. These two qualities of the soul - serenity and joy - are the indications that the soul, the ego, the One Who stands alone, is controlling or dominating the personality, circumstance, and all environing coditions of life in the three worlds. (15-200)

14) The disciple knows, or is learning to know, that he is not this or that, but Life itself. He is not the physical body or its emotional nature; he is not, in the last analysis (a most occult phrase) the mind, or that by which he knows. He is learning that that too must be transcended and superseded by intelligent love (only truly possible after the mind has been developed), and he begins to realise himself as the soul. Then, later, comes the awful ''moment in time'' when, pendant in space, he discovers that he is not the soul. What then is he? A point of divine dynamic will, focussed in the soul, and arriving at the awareness of Being through the use of form. He is Will, the ruler of time and the organiser, in time, of space. (18-107)

15) The power wielded by those who are seeking to live as souls, and in touch with the soul and the world of spiritual realities, is out of all proportion to their registered sense of power and usefulness. You are, as you endeavor to wield spiritual force constructively and selflessly, far more potent than you realise.

16) You should learn always to think of each other as souls and not as limited human beings. (5-12)

17) Live, therefore, always above your physical body, ignoring how you feel, and seeking to dwell as far as is possible, with your waking consciousness blended and fuse with that of the soul. Even if you feel it not, then know that it is there. (5-429)

18) Just in so far as a person comes under soul impression, then soul control, and final identification with the soul, just so far does he move towards the centre of fusion. As your love for humanity increases, and your interest in yourself decreases, so will you move towawrds that centre of light and love where the Masters stand in spiritual being. (5-289).
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A key to the parenthesized numbers at the end of each paragraph excepting 15), which had none.......
Example - ''1)'' (4-13/4 = ''A Treatise on White Magic pgs. 13/14)

REFERENCE INDEX

Book Ref. No. Title First Edition - Ref.Ed - pages

1. Initiation, Human and Solar 1922 8th 1967 225
2. Letters on Occult Medicine 1922 8th 1966 360
3. A Treatise on Cosmic Fire 1925 6th 1964 1283
4. A Treatise on White Magic 1934 8th 1967 640
5. Discipleship in the New Age - Vol.1 1944 6th 1966 790
6. Discipleship in the New Age - Vol.2 1955 2nd 1955 768
7.The Problems of Humanity 1947 3rd 1964 181
8.The Reappearance of the Christ 1948 3rd 1960 189
9. The Destiny of Nations 1949 2nd 1960 152
10. Glamour: A World Problem 1950 3rd 1967 272
11. Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle 1950 3rd 1963 197
12. Education in the New Age 1954 1st 1954 153
13. The Externalisation of the Hierarchy 1957 2nd 1958 701

A TREATISE ON THE SEVEN RAYS

14. Vol.1 - Esoteric Psychology I 1936 5th 1967 430
15. Vol.2 - Esoteric Psychology II 1942 2nd 1960 751
16. Vol.3 - Esoteric Astrology 1951 5th 1965 695
17. Vol.4 - Esoteric Healing 1953 4th 1967 715
18. Vol.5 - The Rays and the Initiations 1960 2nd 1965 769

Books by Alice A. Bailey

The Consciousness of the Atom
The Soul and its Mechanism
From Intellect to Intuition
From Bethlehem to Calgary
The Light of the Soul ''(The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali paraphrased by the Tibetan, with commentary by A.A.B

I added all of this other info just because..........

Now. William. If you are still here, or anyone for that matter.....you might remember recently that I asked you if you had read any of the Conversation with God books. Forget the mess and the messenger.., and just try to 'get the message'. Seems to be what this has been about for me.

If.........you go back to the beginning of this thread....and I do believe it is a worthwhile effort.., especially if any of you remember 'Mem de man' and the conversations that Traveler Diogenes and he had were pretty good. Cooler heads prevailed. ''Fooler heads'' came in and out. One of them...posted a good piece from ''The New Revelations''.....possibly another one of those Image
''information transformation collectors'' or somesuch. But the post begins in this thread on the third page, about 3/4s of the way down. It's the one ''Posted: 05 May 2005 02:12 pm''

It did not make the transfer as far as all the BBC codes were concerned. I never did get what that was about. I'm gonna leave in the 'asides' that occur in the post. I've had enough editing for one day..... :| But it is a most excellent read..., and what the hey...even 'relative'. Relaxing too..., if ya just feel it and don't think on it much. I love His use of the letters s.o.u.l. - :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Science of the Soul
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DaS WAY Kewl! Moonz! What a great week-end! Went to Tampa today! Great sunset coming home. Now come back to a nice thread like this!
Am (re) reading some Gnostic stiff. The Soul . . . . I am reminded of Elizabeth B Browning - May I take license? "How do I explain thee let me count the ways".

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ja, moonz...it has been a wonder-full topic...and has come full circle with Jarcq's reveal-ation of the intent of the WMMs being its focus on the Grand portal...or discovery of the soul...

for many of us it has been a self-discovery... :wink:

and an opportunity to share our mutual identity ... with gratitude.

PS...Memenen left a few links in his post, where he was continuing his own "scientific" study of the soul...perhaps you may be inclined, look him up and see if he is willing to share his progress :D

scanning the past post, I am so glad I discovered firefox and its spell checker...snicker...bet you are too.

I also "assume" DK is aka Alice Bailey ... and James points out some of the limitation of her works in the Q n As...

snipped from A to Q #5 session 3 (more in the beginning of the answer) http://www.wingmakers.com/answersfromjames.html

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But as I said before, DK was not aware of Lyricus at the time of his transmissions to AAB. Yes, he knew that the Hierarchy extended beyond his (and the Great White Lodge’s) mental construct, but he didn’t know how far, or for what purpose. The discovery of the Grand Portal has never been disclosed in any of the materials of the earth-based religious quarter. Given that this is the singular focus of Lyricus and humanity, doesn’t it strike you as peculiar?

This glaring omission from the religious quarter of humanity is a reflection of how the religions of Earth object to, and/or misunderstand, the advance of science and technology. For example, DK never transmitted science in the context of genetics, and yet, within Lyricus, this is the nucleus knowledge. For DK, science was the consort of Antahkarana, triangles, or invocation (to name a few examples). It was not the science of the double helix. His conscious mind did not possess this vocabulary or knowledge, and therefore there was no way for him to speak directly to these topics

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Quote:
Djwhal Khul

wow, isn't that the founder of the amazing
kool & the gang?

when they have those silent h's and j's in their name..

hmmmm .... whoo hoo
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So where the heck has oba gotten himself too?

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Funny sometimes how a thread just runs its course.....only to be started up again.....Holograms fascinate me.....are we inside or out ...or both at the same time my understanding of what is going on .


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See all 5 videos starting with this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5q-RoR- ... ideo_title

also read my youtube description "timeless creation"
http://www.youtube.com/user/steppingstones04


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steppingstones04 wrote:
See all 5 videos starting with this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5q-RoR- ... ideo_title

also read my youtube description "timeless creation"
http://www.youtube.com/user/steppingstones04


thanks! :)

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The WingMakers' Forum mission is to discuss the twelve years of materials that have been given to us on the websites of wingmakers.com, eventemples.com, Lyricus.org, DVDs, CDs and the interviews. As starduster has had to remind us all from time to time, this is not the place for advising workshops, and website etc. There are twelve years of works to discuss and everyone has an area of that work that they feel resonants with them.


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I think may be we should start to write a new book naming Soul Book or The Book Of Soul.
Say, We could write it togather like Urantia Book by so many different entities.

Contents Like
1,Defination of Soul
2,Features of Soul
3,Function of Soul
4,Activation of Soul
5,User Manuals of Soul
6,Soul Evidence of Science
etc

We could write this book togather online and link all the articles and projects on Soul Science there...It will evolve...

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